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Al Krow

Please tell me why I should avoid Ashdown amps? (aka why Ashdown are just great!)

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14 hours ago, Al Krow said:

The new 'Ashdown Doom Metro'

"...and the part which adds a good chunk of the added cost is the three isolated slave outputs, these each have their own small transformer for true isolation. So add to the cost an extra three transformers, all of which are handwired by one guy 10 miles down the road..."

So my little grenade if I may: @Ashdown Engineering definitely not sure when folk are going to have call for three isolated outputs? Not really heard anyone (including from my fellow BC Ashdown lovers on this thread) say that this is the killer feature they've been waiting for? You'll know if this was widely market tested, or just felt like a good idea at the time!

What possibility of offering a slimmed down, lighter version of the Doom with the same power, steel housing and UK build and with its excellent design (and still providing that extra VU meter, of course! :)) but without the additional slave outputs - which for many of us simply represent additional redundancy, weight and cost? 

What do you think? Maybe be a winner?

That gets my vote!

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13 hours ago, Al Krow said:

The new 'Ashdown Doom Metro'

"...and the part which adds a good chunk of the added cost is the three isolated slave outputs, these each have their own small transformer for true isolation. So add to the cost an extra three transformers, all of which are handwired by one guy 10 miles down the road..."

So my little grenade if I may: @Ashdown Engineering definitely not sure when folk are going to have call for three isolated outputs? Not really heard anyone (including from my fellow BC Ashdown lovers on this thread) say that this is the killer feature they've been waiting for? You'll know if this was widely market tested, or just felt like a good idea at the time!

What possibility of offering a slimmed down, lighter version of the Doom with the same power, steel housing and UK build and with its excellent design (and still providing that extra VU meter, of course! :)) but without the additional slave outputs - which for many of us simply represent additional redundancy, weight and cost? 

What do you think? Maybe be a winner?

Cheers Al. Totally hear what you are saying, however this is a signature amp built for Geezer Butler.... Built precisely to what Geezer and his tech required with some input from us of course and the Slave Outputs were/are important to what they want. Nothing about the amp was specified down to 'felt like a good idea at the time' I promise. This was never a project to just stick an artists name on a load of existing amps and just take peoples money like one of our competitors in particular may have just done.... with that I guess they have to make the money back they are paying him somehow... ;-)

Main point is that anyone buying a Head Of Doom is getting exactly the same amp as Geezer is using built by one of the same two people who built Geezers not a watered down version with his name on.

 

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25 minutes ago, Ashdown Engineering said:

Cheers Al. Totally hear what you are saying, however this is a signature amp built for Geezer Butler.... Built precisely to what Geezer and his tech required with some input from us of course and the Slave Outputs were/are important to what they want. Nothing about the amp was specified down to 'felt like a good idea at the time' I promise. This was never a project to just stick an artists name on a load of existing amps and just take peoples money like one of our competitors in particular may have just done.... with that I guess they have to make the money back they are paying him somehow... ;-)

Main point is that anyone buying a Head Of Doom is getting exactly the same amp as Geezer is using built by one of the same two people who built Geezers not a watered down version with his name on.

 

Gotcha! 

Let's be honest there are few decent self-respecting bass players who are going to buy an amp just 'cos some superstar has one. They're going to buy an amp because it's a great amp. You're as likely to get 'Geezer who?' from anyone who didn't grow up in the 1970s AND was a Black Sabbath fan, these days.

I just sense there is an opportunity for Ashdown, having got the basic design and production already sorted, in that there would be quite a significant market for a Doom 'Liberty' version with no Slaves. I'd be happy to wager (I'll let you come up with the sum) that the Doom Liberty (with appropriate reduction in price to reflect the lack of Slaves) would outsell the 'Geezer' Doom by 3 to 1. If you put a HPF / LPF on it, make that 5 to 1! I'll leave you guys to ponder the economics.

I love the look of the Geezer Doom. But I hate the thought of carting around an unnecessary extra [10?] lbs and dislike even more spending an extra £250+ for transformers and isolated outputs I'm never going to use (and still not hearing a real case from any of my more expert BCers for having them). So yup I'll never be tempted to buy a Geezer Doom. A Doom 'Liberty' / 'Lite' / 'Metro' or whatever you want to call it on the other hand, with the same great looks (and maybe a HPF / LPF to boot) - now that would be an altogether different prospect.

Cheers, Al

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Just a thought.  I’d never buy a Geezer amp, but having gigged for 30 odd years, I completely understand why his tech would want transformer isolated outputs..it’s the only way to really avoid noise problems when linking gear (and options are always good).  I use Sansamps etc most of the time, but always carry a good passive transformer DI for those venues where the noises are persistent.  So, I’d happily pay a few quid more on any amp if it had a good transformer DI and not an “electrically balanced” one.  

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