mrtcat Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Came out years before I was born but I really love it. I like a lot of Beatles stuff and dislike plenty too but I've always loved Sgt Pepper. I don't have the benefit of the context of a lot of the early Beatles stuff as I wasn't there but respect where it's due they clearly captured peoples attention with what they did. I like plenty of Stones stuff too and naturally dislike certain stuff. Funny that the Beatles have never felt the need to criticise the stones as far as I'm aware. Edited August 6, 2015 by mrtcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipperydick Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1438883928' post='2838428'] Came out years before I was born but I really love it. I like a lot of Beatles stuff and dislike plenty too but I've always loved Sgt Pepper. I don't have the benefit of the context of a lot of the early Beatles stuff as I wasn't there but respect where it's due they clearly captured peoples attention with what they did. I like plenty of Stones stuff too and naturally dislike certain stuff. Funny that the Beatles have never felt the need to criticise the stones as far as I'm aware. [/quote] There was always a Beatles OR Stones thing back then, a bit like mods n rockers. Both to a certain extent benefited from being in the right place at the right time. People my parents age ( born in the 1910s) had grown up hard up. lived through austerity that we cant even imagine, two world wars, the depression, rationing etc. People my age (born in the early 50s) grew up hearing about it. The Beatles and Stones generation, born during the war were between the two. Older people when things changed in the 60s, were reluctant to spend for a few years, just from habit, or fear of bad times coming back. The 60s were in colour, before that everythig was in black and white, but Beatles fans will tell you that Lennon & McCartney changed the world, which is not really true. Hippy ideals and younger people changed the world, The Beatles were part of it, but they didnt cause it nor lead it. They were just a band, like any other, but with three great songwriters. Thats how I see/remember it anyway. Sgt Peppers was good, very different at the time, but that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1438879549' post='2838386'] He'd probably fix the hole by shoving a Mars Bar in it.... [/quote] You're just preaching to the Faithfull there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 In terms of a Beatles album I don't think anything comes near to Revolver.. Pretty much flawless, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeEvans Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I've always seen the Beatles, just like Harry Potter and The Wire, as one of those things that are evidently extremely good but which I still find tedious and irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='JoeEvans' timestamp='1438889218' post='2838494'] I've always seen the Beatles, just like Harry Potter and The Wire, as one of those things that are evidently extremely good but which I still find tedious and irritating. [/quote] There is so much wrong with mentioning [i]Harry Potter[/i] and [i]The Wire[/i] in the same sentence as [i]The Beatles[/i] that I can't even begin to consider it - in fact I'm going to have to go and lie down in a darkened room and chant 'calm, blue ocean' over and over again for about an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1438883583' post='2838425'] Cream apparently didn't think they were very good either...they didn't think the Stones were any good at all though [/quote] Depends which one they asked - Clapton and Bruce might have given you a carefully considered response. Baker, on the other hand hates EVERYTHING!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I heard Keef only said it to wind Blue up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Probably, but I still like it because of what it meant to me at that stage of my life and the happy memories it represents . Pop music, as dear old Frank Zappa said, is music to dress up to. It doesn't matter if it's high art or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='randythoades' timestamp='1438851885' post='2837916'] Pretty much, I just don't 'get' Sgt Pepper at all. Heresy I know, but I find a lot of the Beatles, except the really early stuff, self indulgent twaddle... But I don't like the Rolling Stones either. [/quote] I'm curious if you don't like either of the world's most famous bands that have had impact an influence on every successful band since, what do you like? Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Pepper still sells well over a million copies annually and it's over 40 years old. Somebody likes it, I do. Keep in mind I'm a hard core fan, I like My Bonnie Lies Over The Ocean. Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Yeah, FWIW I really rate "Sgt Pepper's". Got it on CD and Vinyl - for special nights-in with a glass of Single Malt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownThaFunk Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Revolver is [i]the [/i] album IMO. Sgt. Peppers is a little hit and miss for me. Though Lucy in the Sky is the best Beatles song they ever did, well Lennon's best for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 revolver would have been perfect if they'd left off Yellow Submarine and Eleanor Rigby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1438902852' post='2838644'] revolver would have been perfect if they'd left off Yellow Submarine and Eleanor Rigby [/quote] Both of those songs are part of the Englishness of The Beatles. They are essential to the perfection of Revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownThaFunk Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1438902852' post='2838644'] revolver would have been perfect if they'd left off Yellow Submarine and [b]Eleanor Rigby[/b] [/quote] That and For No One are the best songs on the album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leschirons Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1438856123' post='2837992'] Always be wary of using sales figures as an argument for quality, especially as Spice Girls and Shania Twain both have albums that have sold more! [/quote] Was I using sales figures as an argument for quality? I thought it was a reference to how many people thought it was good enough to buy at the time. Unless of course you're suggesting that they all got home, played it and thought "well that was a waste of money" Edited August 7, 2015 by leschirons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Well Keef's blown it, because as a result of this thread I have today ordered three Beatles albums. Beatles albums ordered today = 3 Stones albums ordered today = 0 Mind you, that's probably because I already have all the Stones' albums. And I doubt my record-buying habits are going to bother Keef, much... This just in: I've decided to call Keef 'Queef' from now on. So there you have it. Edited August 7, 2015 by discreet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipperydick Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1438951418' post='2838931'] Was I using sales figures as an argument for quality? I thought it was a reference to how many people thought it was good enough to buy at the time. Unless of course you're suggesting that they all got home, played it and thought "well that was a waste of money" [/quote] Sles figures at the time dont really prove anything, Beatles recrds were guaranteed to sell, they could have recorded their farts and fans would have called it brilliant. Only a few years later McCartney proved it by releasing Mary Had a Little Lamb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1438951749' post='2838935'] Beatles albums ordered today = 3 Stones albums ordered today = 0 [/quote] That's OK. On Sept 15 I shall be buying Mr Richard's new solo album and re-purchasing its two predecessors, my vinyl copies being sufficiently worn as to be able to read a newspaper through them. Thus is cosmic balance restored. Anyway, I was just watching the vid for the single and noticed Keef's gnarled fingers and knuckles; the arthritis is getting worse. My dad's hands looked like that and he was in horrible pain most of the time. Maybe falling out of a palm tree helps assuage the symptoms. Edited August 7, 2015 by skankdelvar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1438951418' post='2838931'] Was I using sales figures as an argument for quality? I thought it was a reference to how many people thought it was good enough to buy at the time. Unless of course you're suggesting that they all got home, played it and thought "well that was a waste of money" [/quote] Sorry if you weren't Keith, but it seemed that, albeit obliquely, you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1438905829' post='2838657'] Both of those songs are part of the Englishness of The Beatles. They are essential to the perfection of Revolver. [/quote] Agreed.. For me it's [i]the[/i] Beatles album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1438905829' post='2838657'] Both of those songs are part of the Englishness of The Beatles. They are essential to the perfection of Revolver. [/quote] [quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1438950093' post='2838911'] That and For No One are the best songs on the album! [/quote] [quote name='Old Man Riva' timestamp='1438977180' post='2839201'] Agreed.. For me it's [i]the[/i] Beatles album. [/quote]I was expressing a personnel opinion, I didn't expect everybody, or perhaps anybody to agree with me, for the record I think Yellow Submarine is a joke/comedy/childrens song, and Rigby is a Macca/Martin classical recording and to paraphrase Mr Richard(s) makes it a mish mash of an Album, IMO Edited August 7, 2015 by PaulWarning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1438983307' post='2839263'] I was expressing a personnel opinion, I didn't expect everybody, or perhaps anybody to agree with me, for the record I think Yellow Submarine is a joke/comedy/childrens song, and Rigby is a Macca/Martin classical recording and to paraphrase Mr Richard(s) makes it a mish mash of an Album, IMO [/quote] I agree with what you say there except I do not see it as a bad thing. For example, Yellow Submarine is exactly a joke/comedy/children's song and that is good and in a long English tradition of nonsense verse and children's rhymes. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leschirons Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 [quote name='Slipperydick' timestamp='1438957940' post='2838985'] Sles figures at the time dont really prove anything, Beatles recrds were guaranteed to sell, they could have recorded their farts and fans would have called it brilliant. Only a few years later McCartney proved it by releasing Mary Had a Little Lamb. [/quote] Really? Surely by definition, sales figures at the time prove how many people bought the record at the time, which was my point, irrespective of quality, which is really only a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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