Twincam Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 [quote name='eude' timestamp='1424361948' post='2695556'] My wife calls these folks iHoles © Eude [/quote] Pmsl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 [quote name='largo' timestamp='1424358376' post='2695519'] Out of curiosity, if it's not money that you avoid Apple for. Why is it? [/quote] As with most things I don't buy (except a Ferrari and such), I don't buy them because I don't like them, or the company making them, or both. Apple products are not THAT expensive. You can get an iPhone on a similar package to my mobile one, but you won't see me going for one. I know Apple-fans tend to think Apple-life is the life we should all naturally aspire to, but it's just not so. Enjoy your iWhatever. I'm glad there are other alternatives that work better for me. Equally, I would never own a Rickenbacker, I don't think. It's not a cash thing. I just don't like them, unconceivable as it may seem to some. Computing-wise, PCs are more convenient for me, and more flexible. I use dual partitions so that I sometimes use Windows and other times a flavour of Linux, depending on what I need to do. I'm very happy with my HTC phone running Android, and I have never felt "I wish it were an iPhone"... I do not like the way Apple products seem to create unnecessary dependance on other Apple products... even things like power supplies! It was power supplies that made me shun Sony many years ago, when I got fed up that every new Walkman I bought seemed to use yet a different adaptor plug and I had to buy their own brand adaptor. I haven't bought Sony ever since, I'm vindictive that way I lie, I bought a pair of headphones once, because they sounded great. But if there is an equally good alternative available to me, I go for that one. Same thing for Apple and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Interesting turn this thread has taken. Wonder if it will work with other IPhone apps like Bias/Jam Up, Amplitube etc? Can't see why it wouldn't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Haha, like the comments and yes a generalisation on both Apple & Android users. Dont know who ever said I was an Apple fanboy. Again curious to know how that conclusion was drawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I tend to use virtual machines these days as opposed to dual boot partitions. Anyway back on track, I like the look and functionality of the Ashdown and a one-stop shop seems like a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badderer Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 this is Basschat.... there don't have to be any reasons for a conclusion to be drawn (joking!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswareham Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='largo' timestamp='1424293034' post='2694918'] at £600 an Apple user will accept this for a functional device that looks the business. Android users on the other hand tend to be more cheapskate and think Open Source means they should get stuff for less... [/quote] Whereas Apple users pay way over the odds for commodity hardware that can't be upgraded, and just happens to depend on a foundation of Open Source software. Mac OS-X and iOS? Based on a modified and open source Unix kernel from Carnegie-Mellon university, along with a userland mostly from various open source BSD versions of Unix. Or you could run something like Linux where the system isn't predicated on finding ways for schmucks to part with money via iTunes, the app store, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswareham Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='largo' timestamp='1424358376' post='2695519'] Out of curiosity, if it's not money that you avoid Apple for. Why is it? [/quote] Up until the iPhone 6 at least, it was the Steve Jobs legacy that meant small screen sizes. Even once they fixed the screen size, that still leaves the issue of not being able to install a decent web browser, as the only alternative to Apple's Safari have to use a crippled version of the same rendering engine to be able to get into the App Store. That means no advert blocker. Then there's the recent versions of Mac OS-X, where Apple have started to ignore their own style guides for application interfaces resulting in decreased conformance with Human Interface best practices. I liked Mac OS-X up until Tiger (10.4), but ever since it's been downhill as the focus has shifted from usability towards trying to get you to buy content from iTunes or the App Store. Then there's the lack of something like a decent package management system. Sure, if you're coming from the anarchy of Windows with its DLL hell and lack of coherent structure, then the Unix underpinnings of OS-X offer some improvement but it's pretty pisspoor compared to the package management on a typical Linux or BSD system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1424391550' post='2695970'] Up until the iPhone 6 at least, it was the Steve Jobs legacy that meant small screen sizes. Even once they fixed the screen size, that still leaves the issue of not being able to install a decent web browser, as the only alternative to Apple's Safari have to use a crippled version of the same rendering engine to be able to get into the App Store. That means no advert blocker. [/quote] I really don't want to get drawn into the whole Apple vs everyone else thing, but... The browser I'm using right now has a myriad of features, one of which is an ad blocker which works just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I have no idea what package management is. Is it something I need to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1424391550' post='2695970']I liked Mac OS-X up until Tiger (10.4)[/quote] [b]This.[/b] I used to do Mac IT on top of my real job and previously looked after nearly 60 users over 2 sites, one of which pretty much remotely and it used to be pain free. Now I work in a much smaller firm, with only 5 of us and I struggle to keep things running smoothly with all the bodged updates and the fact that OS X Server has been reduced to an "app". Things limp along now and I've lost all interest in the continued firefighting, they can stay that way. Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1424414426' post='2696009'] I have no idea what package management is. Is it something I need to know? [/quote] Clearly you don't. So no need to worry. The thing is "computers" can be used for one and a million things, so it's natural that there's a whole lot of different requirements out there for different people. Macs do what they do very well for a group of people. If you have different requirements, Macs may not be for you. Like... anything else really. I don't see why we need to fight wars over Mac vs PC Can Mac people accept Macs are not ideal for everyone, and viceversa about PCs? Then we can go back to argue about Precision vs Jazz or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yup. Apple is great for people who just want to do stuff. Android etc. is great for people who want to do stuff with the thing they use to do stuff. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1424427193' post='2696128'] Yup. Apple is great for people who just want to do stuff. Android etc. is[b] great for people who want to do stuff with the thing they use to do stuff.[/b] :-) [/quote] Ha! I love that! I'm going to keep it for future reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomBass Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I cant see where to put the bread in. And does it do bagels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1423523162' post='2686040'] £600 and it's just sporting USB connectivity? Why no firewire (or Thunderbolt)? [/quote] More universal for a single connector. USB 3and USB C are making a good move onto the market. I'm a huge, huge Thunderbolt fan (makes the video work I do so, so, so much easier!) Apple don't ship any Firewire products anymore. They're moving entirely to Thunderbolt (and maybe USB 3? They pushed USB 2 so it's not impossible.) I quite like the B-social, I think the "social" part of the name is a bit... forced, but I like it. It's not a unique concept and I think it's not for everyone, but for someone who wants what it does, nothing else really satisfies those needs. This is very similar in concept (but done in a Bass orientated and Ashdown-ified way) to the New Line 6 Amplifi (the TT comes to mind, but the line as a whole) and the Yamaha THR units, which for £150-£250 (5/10, model etc) are fantastic amps. I'm actually recording all my Guitar tracks for a demo album with a two THR units and, using one as a DI for bass to re-amp/software model. If these sell at closer to £400, I can see these selling for the right people just fine. It's still a solid amount of money though, and it's role/need isn't great enough for me to lay down 600, when that's a new bass or amp or cab, or a months rent... I like it, but the price means I know I won't be getting one as even if it does do what it does better than anything else out there. I can make do with rattling headphones to practise in my apartment... (He says now. Can see myself caving and buying the B-social in 18 month haha!) That or my THR actually does kick out a solid amount of low end. Wouldn't ever be able to jam with someone unless they were an acoustic player. That's something I'd really like to try, could be very, very cool! Edit: Also, with all amp tones, horses for courses. I always seem drawn to Ashdown but never found an Ashdown tone/rig I'm 100% happy with. Been doing a lot of gigs with a friends ABM ring and it does down the meaning of grunt and thunder though! With a good grindy distortion been pretty chuffed with the tones The Evo IV ABMs are something I really want to try. I do wish the drive knobs went a couple notches higher though. But I'm a drive fiend, so what do I know?! Edited February 20, 2015 by AttitudeCastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 My main computer is a Mac We have two Windows laptops (one runs 7 the other 8) All our mobile (phone and tablets) are Android. I'm just bloody confused... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAUQO III-X Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1422785453' post='2676646'] Time will tell. No offence to Ashdown, but it's years since they were thought of as a premium brand. [/quote] Ashdown happens to be the fourth selling brand of bass amps in the world. Some ones buying it and and the three ahead of Ashdown happens to be much larger companies and have been in the amp game longer than Ashdown has and that says a lot about a little tiny company such as Ashdown in how ther'ye able to hang with the big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 [quote name='JAUQO III-X' timestamp='1424656270' post='2698886'] Ashdown happens to be the fourth selling brand of bass amps in the world. [/quote] Out of interest, who are the top three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAUQO III-X Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1424659066' post='2698895'] Out of interest, who are the top three? [/quote] I don't want to say but the top three are long standing USA companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I suppose it depends how you define 'premium'. The top selling car makers in the UK are (for the sake of argument) Ford, Vauxhall and Nissan, but they are not what is call premium brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 [quote name='JAUQO III-X' timestamp='1424659633' post='2698898'] I don't want to say but the top three are long standing USA companies. [/quote] Is it a secret? I'd be interested to know who the top three are...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomBass Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 At a guess, Ampeg, GK and, erm.....mmmm. Nearly said Markbass, but aren't they Italian? Peavey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I would regard Ashdown as premium, certainly with the BTA and CTM range of valve amps and even with the ABM range. A lot of top bands bass players seem to use them too, so can't be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ashdown just cover all the bases really - cheap and cheerful practice amps, affordable rigs for the weekend warrior, up to the expensive custom shop / premium UK-built gear for the pros or people like me (more money than talent). Some of their stuff IS premium, some of it (and the majority that we see in guitar shops!) isn't so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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