lojo Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 We all know that gigs with decent in house or hired in pa support mean that cabs can be dispensed with, but for some small function rooms and pub gigs, where we really rely on cabs, or use a trickle into the pa, my question is this.. If you walked in, what size cab would have you thinking "that's way over the top" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I don't understand the concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1353946' date='Aug 27 2011, 10:40 PM']I don't understand the concept?[/quote] If you walked into a pub gig, what size cab would get you thinking "that's over the top" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyp28 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I've walked in to a pub gig and seen the bassist with an Ampeg svt vr and a 8x10 Small pub massive amp+cab= can only hear the bass Was cool though For me any thing over 4x10 really, any thing after that its so you feel like a rock star lol will it is for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 [quote name='lojo' post='1353948' date='Aug 27 2011, 10:42 PM']If you walked into a pub gig, what size cab would get you thinking "that's over the top"[/quote] For me to walk into a pub gig and think "That's too big" it would have to be enormous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 8x10....last night I think even a 2x12 would have been overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 [quote name='lojo' post='1353948' date='Aug 27 2011, 10:42 PM']If you walked into a pub gig, what size cab would get you thinking "that's over the top"[/quote] Still not grasping this, I don't see there is a top, let alone getting over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I once played a small pub that doesn't even have a stage, I had to stand sideways most of the gig to avoid the guitarist/singer (in a four piece). I was using my 1080w 2x4x10 stack. To be fair though, it was the first gig after my 2nd cab arrived, so I wanted to test it out and we play the venue regularly, so I had a laugh with the sound engineer about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1353984' date='Aug 27 2011, 11:32 PM']Still not grasping this, I don't see there is a top, let alone getting over it. [/quote] Then that might well be your answer , that you wouldn't see any size or amount of cabs as over the top? Just asking for personal and even non technical reactions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I went to see a band recently, where the bassist had a full Ampeg stack, valve head, 410 & 115. But, they weren`t overly loud. You could talk - albeit loudly - whilst they were playing, and we were only some 20 feet away from them. So it depends really. If they`d been ridiculously loud, I`d have thought his stack over the top, but as it was just getting him the sound he likes, well his choice - he has roadies by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) The smaller places, I use 2x112 and for larger, I use 2x210 which I far prefer. The amp is 550 into 4 ohms. That rig will do a stage 30x16 without decent monitors, ie bass in them. It will also do small halls when the P.A decides to go bass-light What I consider over the top, is a bass rig that drowns the drums when the band is in full flow..and the drums are mic'd, but then some people don't have a clue about seperation and are probably worse than deaf. Edited August 28, 2011 by JTUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I think we are getting to; it’s the individual’s use of the volume control that matters. I would be happy to see a large rig as then I know I have the head room. You don’t have to use it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote name='deepbass5' post='1354119' date='Aug 28 2011, 09:45 AM']I think we are getting to; it’s the individual’s use of the volume control that matters. I would be happy to see a large rig as then I know I have the head room. You don’t have to use it all.[/quote] Spot on.It's about headrom and dispersal of sound,not excessive volume. I have just played a small room with no stage using a Peavey MK.6 with two 1X15" cabs,and had plenty of compliments about the sound.And if I'd had room in the car,I'd have taken the wardrobe sized Marshall 1x18" W cab as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote]...What's too big?...[/quote] I don't think that's the right question. Is it powerful enough, how many speakers and how heavy is it would be the 3 questions that I'd ask. Would it fit in the car would be the last question I'd think of. If there was an 810 that weighed 40 lbs I'd buy it. As it is I need each lift to be 40lbs or less and I want a combined total of speakerage of between 600 watts and 1000 watts. And I won't be relying on any cab specs for this info!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 My pub rig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Your rig is too big, if there's no room left on stage for you too stand. Otherwise use what you want and remember that the volume control goes down as well as up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote name='BigRedX' post='1354651' date='Aug 28 2011, 07:14 PM']Your rig is too big, if there's no room left on stage for you too stand. Otherwise use what you want and remember that the [b]volume control goes down [/b]as well as up.[/quote] I have heard this rumoured before about volume. I don't really believe it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 It's just a vicious rumour started by guitarists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Spike Vincent' post='1354665' date='Aug 28 2011, 07:31 PM']It's just a vicious rumour started by guitarists.[/quote] Cool thanks for clearing that up. Thought that it may have started there............... Edited August 28, 2011 by Blademan_98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 If you can achieve sufficient loudness across th entire room with something smaller than what you have, it's too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1353984' date='Aug 27 2011, 11:32 PM']Still not grasping this, I don't see there is a top, let alone getting over it. [/quote] I like the fact the top speaker is miked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1354767' date='Aug 28 2011, 09:37 PM']If you can achieve sufficient loudness across th entire room with something smaller than what you have, it's too big.[/quote] Biggist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Too big is when the drummer can no longer carry it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rOB Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='BigRedX' date='Aug 28 2011, 07:14 PM']the volume control goes down as well as up.[/quote] if everyone understood this then the world would be a better place. I reckon I'd think it was too much with anything over a 4x10 at a pub gig. Obviously depends on the size of pub and the pa support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='xgsjx' post='1354995' date='Aug 29 2011, 09:18 AM']Too big is when the drummer can no longer carry it for you. [/quote] That's when you have to persuade the drummer to get a roadie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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