JohnDaBass

Calling, Bill, Stevie & Phil to comment on the maths!

Now that's what folks say with the Mesa Subway 1x12 and Subway 1x15 but does this setup cancel any "Mids"?

Now there are many comments on various threads regarding the positioning of two bass cabs so the mission of this thread is to try to bring together the experiences, wisdom and comment of all parties regarding the positioning of two bass cabs. We are grateful for the input of Bill, Stevie Phil, and many others on such topics and I look forward to what they can add to the subject! I have enjoyed great performance from my two BassChat MK1 1x12 cabs stacked on top of one another. The slot ported cab on the bottom and the 4 tube ported cab on top. To my ear I do not seem to experience the cancelling effect to the Mids that the interference of two adjacent should produce. Now that could be because of my particular sound but I have achieved a really good sound from this setup. I have recently acquired a BF One 10 and I am interested to learn what would be a productive cab stage positioning . One idea is to have to One10 on a stand angled up to my ears then place my BF Super Compact about 3 metres away the other side of the drummer. My normal stage position is to the RHS of the drummer, who is centre stage, and run a speaker cable to the Super Compact on the LHS of the stage. Now to my mind I should not experiece any form of "Mids" cancellation and I should enjoy the benefits of bass coupling from the SC on its own. What are your views ,experiences, comments or mathematical calculations to optimise my stage set-up.

I truly believe that every bass player experiences a single moment in time that says inwardly "that's the sound". Since 1964 when I first started playing bass I have had three or four such moments. First was my Gibson EB3 thro a Marshall 1x18 sound bouncer and TWO Hiwatt 4x12. Secondly was my 1972 Fender Telecaster Bass thro a 1971 Acoustic 136 100w 1x15 combo. Finally my Fender P Bass thro my Mesa Subway D800 and Barefaced Super Compact. Leo probably got it right and everything else simply orbits round the P Bass centre of gravity, offering various additions and flexibility to that core P bass sound. Call me a "sad ole romantic" if you like but if we were honest with ourselves there is a modicum of truth in what I say l

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+1 stick with the Beyma, you will be really pleased with it's performance. I'm a real Basschat 1X12 Mk1 Fanboy having built two slightly different designs they deliver a performance that is a match for many big brand cabs. Phil & Stevie really know their stuff and have expanded the knowledge of many who follow Basschat.

Here's a link for those like me who are still acquiring knowledge about speaker cab design. https://forum.speakerplans.com/dual-multi-chamber-bass-reflex-enclosures_topic39076.html

Or its sister site www.Bigasschat.co.uk for the fuller man!

So Bill, how does it work and is a good solution?

So I recieved my new BF One10 and used it twice over the weekend. Intrigued to learn how the "Hybrid Resonator" worked I shone a torch up the Port hole, as you do with all new toys😃. The port itself looks like any off the shelf 75mm dia x 110mm long plastic port. The cab itself looks as though it is made up of two separate sound chambers. The first which contains the speaker as about 2/3s the depth of the cab and the second chamber inwhich the Port resides is about 1/3 the depth of the cabinet. Now the marketing stuff implies that the cab is "tuned" to two different frequencies so how does that work?? All I can offer as explanation is that the rear wall of the first larger chamber has a "slot" (port) of around 15mm wide running the whole width of the cab. So this could mean that the first large chamber is tuned to one frequency and then the sound energy passes into the smaller second chamber which is then tuned to a different frequency by the plastic 75mm dia x 110 port. Now I am not technically minded enough to understand how two chambers in tandem can operate at different frequency tunings BUT it seems to work as the One10 really does it's stuff and I am well pleased with the result. Hopefully Guys more qualified than me in the technical stuff will come along shortly and enlighten our constant desire for knowledge of all things BASS. PS Has anyone shone a torch up a TWO 10? ( I don't want BassChat to start sounding like some sort of "Fetish" site😂)

Thank you for your comments, it's always a pleasure to read your valuable contributions. Yes I did follow the Simple 12" thread and had it not been for some family matters that scuppered my plan to be at the Bass Bash I would have been able to see the assembly in the flesh. The video is excellent! After you & Stevie helped to sort out my early issues with chuffing & cab tuning I have fallen in love with my two Mk1s. They deliver exactly what I desire and used in different combinations with my other cabs cover all my venue needs.I don't think Mrs DaBass would allow anymore cabs in the house as the One10 had to be sneaked in while she was out shopping.(One10 is quite easy to hide under the bed next to last bass I bought without her knowing). While the idea of a more coloured smaller 12" cab is appealing I going to stick to what I have at the moment.The Mk1 is truly an excellent design and out performs many, many big brand offerings. Thanks to you and Stevie for improving the lives and sounds of many bass players. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Oops now, now then boys settle down, settle down! Can someone get the biscuits please!

The stand I use is the one recommended by Dood https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stagg-14708-Short-Amplifier-Monitor/dp/B002MUGL2W It folds flat ( almost) and angles the cab up to my ears nicely. The Nifty DIY bracket is simply made from three pieces of 9mm or 12mm Plywood. The top piece is cut the same size as the amp and four holes are drilled for each of the feet. The second piece is 25mm wide by 140mm and third piece ( which acts like a Claw sitting under the cab handle) is 140mm by 90mm with the corners removed to act as a guide. The three pieces are glued and screwed to form a 'Claw' over the handle of the cab. Four large rubber feet are added and some Velcro to the top of the bracket and underside of the amp to provide added security. It works a treat for me! The angle of the cab and amp is directed up so I can hear myself and provide easy access to the Fender controls. The air shifted by the One10 really flaps my flares ( sorry being a Child of the 60's & 70's the flares still just fit but now have a neat elasticated waistband installed to compensate for the beer belly!!) So my Fender Rumble Combieeee is just right for me.

Let us know how you get on with achieving your goal! And of course you can get the Fender head and One10 in a reasonable size wardrobe 😂

+1 For the Fender Rumble v3 head with either a BF One10 or Two10 if space allows.

Plus of course the North Face jacket is 'breathable' so no sonic downside 😅

I have a BF Super Compact, two DIY BassChat Mk1( one with a slot port & one with 4 x tube ports) & a Fender Rumble112 v2. I use these in differing combinations with Mesa D800 & Fender Rumble 500 head for the various venues I play. Recently one of my bands had secured a number of ongoing gigs in a small venue and I wanted something really small because of the tighter space and small room size. I considered a Fender Rumble 500 combo but concluded a BF One10 would be just the job as I already had the Fender head. So I rang BF to check delivery lead time and Harry informed me that it was 3 to 4 weeks so I duly paid my deposit on 24th April. Having emailed weekly to check progress I was told on 21st May that the cab was in Test and would be shipped that week. As I needed the cab for Saturday 26th May I phoned Thursday morning to make sure I got the cab on Friday before the gig. I got no reply having phoned dozens of times throughout the day. I finally got an answer from Tom at 3pm to say that it would ship on Thursday . Great ! time to play it in a bit and get the right EQ settings. Sadly I had a further call to say that the FedEx pickup time had been missed but BF would cover the extra shipping cost for a Saturday delivery. Having expressed my disappointment with the poor communications I received an email from the Man himself Mr Alex Claber explaining that the factory had been shut for most of the day because the team were on LEAN & 5S training . So my order wasn't so Just-In-Time more Just-Abit-Late 😂 Now I have tried the new Tech 21 VT 200 combo & the Fender Rumble 500 combo and the Fender definitely suited my needs best. I was disappointed with the VT 200 combo as the speaker lacked depth & the headphone socket was really noisey. The preamp was great with all the familiar VT Bass sounds on hand but the missing blend control was a disappointment. Setup the One10 for the gig on an angled stand with the Fender head on top secured to the cab handle by a nifty DIY bracket that I'll share on another thread. Fired up and what a sound!😎 The One10 was absolutely amazing for it's size with a huge amount of depth and clarity. Considering I was using the same head as in the Rumble 500 combo the One10 was much louder and fuller than the Fender combo with a much smaller footprint. From the various comments on forums I was expecting the One10 to be far more 'coloured' than the Super Compact but to my ears it was only a little warmer and to achieve my particular sound I did have to back off the upper Mids but not as much as when using the Super Compact. All in all the One10 has been a great purchase that provides me with every foreseeable combination I need for the venues I play. A One10 on an angled stand provides a small compact solution that delivers a really loud, full, articulate sound that suits me perfectly. Thanks Harry & Tom

I use a compressor on both my pedal boards. On the 'posh' board I have a Spectracomp with a VT Bass DI Deluxe & Thumpinator. On my 'small' board I use the compressor in my Zoom MS-60 B along with HPF patch and my VT Bass DI.

Mike Dirnt bass 013-8400 first appeared in 2004. Mike spec'd the bass on a '51 P Bass with an ash, slab body with '55 arm contour and pickguard. It had a really thick, maple "C" shape neck with rosewood fret board and was modelled on MIke's original '69 P Bass. The pickup was a Custom shop '59 P bass and had a BadAss 2 bridge. There were two colour options offered black or 2-colour Sunburst. I bought mine new from Gamblins in Cardiff in 2004. My Mike Dirnt has enjoyed a few upgrades over the years, it now supports a '72 Tele bass Humbucker Pup, a slim '51 one piece maple neck (from a '51 P Bass reissue CIJ) and a Fender Telecaster guitar control panel with vol & tone and 3 position switch to select the Humbucker/ both/ '59 P Pup. I'll post some pics shortly. Hope this hepls!

Sad day.

Anyone tried one of these combos?

Well done Al great set of notes! Thank you for your efforts.

Thank you