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[quote name='Machines' timestamp='1453118202' post='2956426'] No point in cutting off my nose to spite my face etc. [/quote] I get the impression you were mature and wise. If you enjoy it, you enjoy it. The little cheekiness probably was inspired by their not feeling at ease with the other guy, and often there's also dissent within a band as to whom to contact first. Also, you'll probably prove them wrong as to not choosing you first. Wouldn't be the first time a band soon exclaimed they're sooooo happy the other one pulled out. Have fun!

As a consequence of what BRX says, and I fully concur with it, you might be most happy with continuing the fluke and trial and error approach, but slightly differently: not for listening to a sound first and then trying to recreate it, but for taking one type of synth engine at a time and seeing what landscapes of sounds it tends to lead you to, and why/how. It all depends on your knowledge level too, as well as on how much time you want to set aside. From your OP, I can't guess what you should go for, but if you're a synth newbie you could do worse than by starting with a tiny subtractive synth with fixed architecture, and putting it through its paces. These can be had for free. Once one has a good overview over what the different modules of the synth do, one could try a real modular subtractive, as in one without fixed architecture, before diving into younger methods of synthesis. I'd avoid FM engines. I love them, mind, and they [b]can[/b] do what the Interwebz tend to claim they can't, but they do require a lot of dedication (time as well as a structural approach). Some more modern synthesis methods and combinations are far more effective tools for F&T&E. Oh, and don't forget external processing, if only for comparing. External processing often is at the core of what makes the final sound in a record attractive. For starters, I always keep a delay and a reverb handy. Also, sounds you hear on records also sometimes or often have taken days of tweaking and layering as BRX already indicated (my own record is eight work days for eight layers in a complicated patch (after which I said "never again!", and I have kept my word)), so replicating those is not a matter of five minutes with a tiny subtractive synth, though I do admit the whole thing takes considerably less time than becoming a good bass player.

I'm not a drummer. For me as a newbie with only a few hours of training, the single most important aspect seemed to be the response in the snare and toms. I've found other parameters like the sound module's possibilities and sound quality less important to me. As a result, I personally will invest in a set with mesh heads (don't know if that's a generic term) like the Roland TD-11KV rather than the cheaper TD-11K (which I much disliked), and might just go for the TD-15K (which has mesh as standard). A TD-11KV will set you back 1,000 quideros, hombre. What's your budget?

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1453034929' post='2955726'] I gave it three minutes but they were still playing the intro... [/quote] This is so the Deadheads get time to finetune their recording gear during gigs. Then maybe try this atypical one, Touch of Grey, from 1982 or so (and released in '87): [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uby6jFCDjE[/media]

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1453034896' post='2955725'] Some give there meaning up easily. Some take a while to figure out. Others are not meant to be figured out. I'm still talking about lyrics, and not women btw haha. Music to me is like a little book with pretty tunes behind the words, giving the story texture and emotion. [/quote] Wow! I don't have a single clue about lyrics, and am only able to listen to the music - even when I try to write down the lyrics - but these lyrics must be some of the best poetry ever!

...and here was me thinking the Paramoron aurivillius became extinct on the 20th of July in 1928. But yeah, a Paramoron singulare, as can be expected. Only one, evidently (I mean, it's in the name 'n' all, and science should know), and happily, Paramoron only dig through wood as larvae, so I'm not too afraid for the well-being of the wooden keys in my piano. I'm relieved. These Paramoron singulare adolescents are some feisty keyboard warriors when there are several of them! Oh... wait! This ain't the Bad Jokes thread! ...or is it?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1452985569' post='2955396'] Not unless you have a corresponding oxydoxy, no. [/quote] Blast a dam! Can't find one. So thazzit then? I'm ou'?

Well, I did find a paramoron hiding in my sofa. Does that help?

Must admit I lolled out silently at that last exchange of philosophical ideas.

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1452962174' post='2955145'] known as "Rise and Fall"? [/quote] Yes, it was. I asked the MD who came with my medicines. She should know.

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1452953507' post='2955015'] Hm, what about the albums colloquial two-word titles - "Ziggy Stardust" and "Scary Monsters" - which are rather good but whose correct titles are somewhat longer? And is "Pin-ups" one word or two? This recipe seems fraught with hazards... (And why didn't Bowie just make all of his albums great by giving them two-word titles?) [/quote] [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1452956534' post='2955059'] I'd have to say that an exception to this rule would be "Stage", which is a superb album, but maybe live albums don't count. [/quote] Fraught with hazards? I couldn't imagine why! Of course, instead, it's fraught with security, as we can now safely adopt the human capacity of [b][i]flexibility[/i][/b]. E.G.: - "Ziggy Stardust", as you can see clearly, when counted correctly, is 12 words. Bad album. - "Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps)", as evidenced here (parentheses fer cryin' out loud!), is two words. Good album. - "Pin Ups" may of course seem like one word to most people, but actually it depends on whether you like the album or not. Also, the flexible human brain may in case of doubt elect to adopt the stance that as a covers album it doesn't count. - "Stage" can simply be added to the Low Lodger Heroes line if live albums may indeed count. See? The recipe always works!

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1452949371' post='2954962'] It's rubbish, you should have gone for Station to Station, Low, Heroes or Lodger...... [/quote] In the early eighties, just after "Let Us Dance" (sic!) was released, I received the following simple recipe from a Bowie aficionado: If the title of a David Bowie album is not "Low", "Heroes" or "Lodger", then it is rubbish unless the title consists of two (2) words, in which case it is great, except when those two words are "David" and "Bowie", as evidenced on a whopping two (2) early albums. Worked for me back then, but in all seriousness I'd have to revisit to check if it still holds for me. BTW, for young readers: "Space Oddity" = "David Bowie".

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1452790218' post='2953556'] It Be a Troubled Login..? [/quote] I didn't want to be a part of prolonging this thread, seeing as the OP seems to feel it's personal and that we are prolonging his sufferings by making fun of him personally, rather than what we're really doing, which is trying to find half-original ways of prolonging a thread without having anything important to say, but in ways that might be construed as... er... I'm gonna say it... no, I'm not.... yes, I am.. slightly half-original and vaguely reminding of vaguely funny (I tried to wiggle in the word "prolonging" here, but failed - maybe a Brit could help out here), but I couldn't persevere, and just HAD to say the following in response to Rich's contribution[b]:[/b] " ". So I'll do just that[b]:[/b]

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1452879036' post='2954418'] Well you should have done ot properly in the first place, shouldn't you Arthur Daley! [/quote] I'm appalled at the name-and-shame culture here on BC, with all the wild accusations without evidence. The very least you could've done was to make this person anonymous, or even use a generic name... like say... er... George Cole or something.

[quote name='jacko' timestamp='1452853145' post='2954044'] Sounds a bit like 'An evening of YES music plus' [/quote] I'm in AWR of that one. (for young readers: Anderson, Wakeman & Rabin have confirmed their new trio.)

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1452869506' post='2954295'] I couldn't possibly recommend the Maplin synth unless you are (or know) a very good and experienced electronics engineer with access to all the appropriate tools including a decent oscilloscope. [/quote] Yup. The Maplin especially, but the EML and the original Odyssey are likewise not first and foremost investments but rather objects that require investments.

Becoming album-oriented already as a young boy in the mid sixties, I must have thousands of blind spots. I was aware of these artist's existence though, as they were all named in the music mags I would read. Examples: Cream, Eric Clapton, The Byrds, The Rolling Stones (though I did eventually hear Brown Sugar), Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, David Bowie (until Warszawa happened on tv), Frank Zappa until '79 (because he reportedly wrote difficult music, so I feared him - not realising that at the same time, I listened to experimental classical music on a daily basis) and loads of others. I didn't listen a lot to the radio, but something that did not help either was that most radio presenters would introduce the next song, then play that song and then afterwards not tell what song just had been played, so even if my ears had opened up because something exciting was on the radio, I'd often not find out what it was without a lot of investigation. Except: some of the music mags were very good at describing some new music and its roots. Based on those articles, I could fairly often guess which artist probably was the one I'd just heard. But I've still missed many well-known artists. That said, with a 6,000 album collection spanning most types of music, I've probably heard more music than the people who know the most well-known artists from the popularity lists, so it's not really as if I've been missing out on something. Also, I'd often know more about the styles people liked than they themselves did, even if I hadn't heard the most popular artist within that style. IOW it's all about life situation, reference frame, perspective, goals, etc. etc. . BTW, me, I quite like not being called uninformed or ignorant just because I don't know some three chord wonder. [/grumpy]

Seeing as you've introduced the EML and Maplin in the thread (asking for trouble in my mind, but it's your money), as well as the Voyager old school, I guess that you're not that preoccupied with getting a real old Odyssey after all, in which case you might be open to a few alternatives that I think would probably serve you better: - If you have £1,300 to spend, why not look at the MFB Dominion 1. It's new and built like a tank, has warranty, and resembles the Odyssey in many ways - especially in its sound - - apart from it being more flexible that is. Me, I'm getting one. - The aforementioned Blofeld Keyboard is the highest quality and deepest synth you're gonna find under £1,000 or at least under £600, and it has a great keybed, 4 octaves and both Velocity and Aftertouch - which is rare. Me, I'm probably getting another one. - The new Korg Minilogue is a STEAL at only £435. You can make it sound beefy as well as thin, and has 200 patch memories and a sequencer and other goodies. It's simple user interface does not show well what it can do. The built-in "oscilloscope" also is a great tool when sound designing. Me, I'm probably getting one - not because its the end-all of synths, but because it's a great, great addition (or a great, great first synth to others). Also, I believe that for once, Korg are gonna raise its price rather than their usual tactics of reducing the price by one third after some time. - The aforementioned KARP, for obvious reasons, which also is reported to drop in price after the NAMM show, by possibly £150, making it another steal for those who are already Odysseyally inclined. Me, I already have one, but might even invest in a second one.

[quote name='dand666' timestamp='1452790204' post='2953555'] Dude Im gonna Spotify them right now lol [/quote] You do that. But be aware the core of my attempt at a joke was in the 24 quarter tones. We wouldn't want you to Spotify their earlier stuff, now would we?

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1452787791' post='2953536'] I preferred their earlier stuff; you know, before you liked them. [/quote] Aye. I wasn't there.

[quote name='dand666' timestamp='1452776331' post='2953334'] I think it's crazy that people have not listened to Floyd, or The Doors it baffles me. I can forgive people who maybe arent into Converge as much as they're into CCR but you need to see the importance of both bands. I just love it all. f***ing 12 notes man. [/quote] I think it's crazy that people have not listened to Iannis Xenakis, or Krzysztof Penderecki it baffles me. I can forgive people who maybe arent into Tristan Murail as much as they're into Pierre Boulez but you need to see the importance of both composers. I just love it all. f***ing 24 notes man.

[quote name='interpol52' timestamp='1452695872' post='2952523'] It was Tangled Up In Blue that got me on board with Dylan. [/quote] ...and here's me not knowing BassChat existed back in 1975, and that Dylan even would be a member.

Yup. My DNA commands me to investigate thoroughly through reading up and asking questions to retailer, distributor and manufacturer, and then putting every available quantifiable data into a spreadsheet, and after weighing the different parameters in an accomplished parameter prioritising system, letting the computer decide which product best serves my needs, after which, if I then notice I'm disappointed with the outcome, I must immediately order the one I wanted it to be in the first place. This system is perfect, if slightly long-winded. Knowing however that that is how my DNA works, in real life I just buy the one I wanted in the first place, and I'm not preoccupied too muchly with what I pay for it. So if I want a Bongo, then I don't ask whether a RockBass Corvette will do nearly the same job at a fraction of the cost (which I think it will, BTW). I'll then just buy the Bongo. ...without looking back ...as well as the Corvette, just to be sure. Other than that, I tend to ask questions in such a manner that if the recipient can be arsed to read and understand them, they can save a lot of time answering in a condensed manner. Most recipients can't be arsed, and they will most probably use their time not answering my questions and probably losing a sale by doing so. Happily, some recipients do understand and appreciate. Mark Stickley and Marc Vanderkley are some of the good guys in my book, giving adequate info. Hm. Statistically speaking, I seem to trust Mark a lot more than John, Thomas, Peter or Judas.

It probably says "Precision" in Precision's own handwriting. I hear Fender built Pino Palladino a Precision Signature Bass. Other than that: - Which bass? His Freedom Rhino, his StingRay, his Precision, his... ? - Which clip?

[quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1452616377' post='2951709'] Well that and Breaking Glass... [/quote]