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🙂 We understood. 🙂 As to my Behringer Model D, there was a known issue with it, which was easily taken care of with a new wall wart and a firmware update. In case someone owns one or is on the fence: the weird declining click-like sounds in the Sustain phase, for nearly every second note, vanish with an update to v 1.1.2, so let that aspect not hinder you. Now I've heard the Model 15 and Model D together, I'm even more impressed with the Model 15 than I was a few weeks ago. Its tone is sooo sweet and luvverly that it brings me back to models like the Moog 35. The third oscillator, against my expectations, isn't missed at all on this one - given that the thing has so much to offer elsewhere on the panel. Also, from limited experience, it seems to me as if it's more stable than the Model D. I can't remember having had to retune at all, which is much needed on the D - - annoyingly so. This is in stable room temperature and both synths placed side-to-side on a table. I've always loved the Minimoog to bits, but am shaking my head in disbelief over the Model 15.

These things happen, and no apology needed. Yeah, the Behringer was mentioned earlier in this thread, when we compared a potentially £300 Lego to a £169 Behringer. I guess you thought that was a joke (or didn't see it), but it was the actual price at the time. I got mine for slightly less even, at 1/26th of the Norse price of a real Minimoog. I feel the Lego is cool as f, but for that money two Behringers give more sound. The Behringer hate must be strong in this one for me to opt for the Lego. BTW, there exists a synth manufacturer who uses lotsa construction set parts. Say a knob is actually a cog. Forgot the name and the details. Cool as the proverbial.

I guess Lego are fully aware of how these things work, BUT since they could be bothered to post it, maybe they are indeed willing to put it out - provided most parts are standard and don't require new molds to be made. Maybe every part must be standard; I don't know how expensive molds are these days. If they do, then I gather only massive sales will see another model later - - though I think the model pool is very tiny indeed. As to the "homage", I didn't understand your post. Did you mean the Behringer Model D or a possible future homage that is more its own thing?

Absurd, and smells not like Tesco's official let's-drive-our-customers-away policy, but more like youthful staff having a larf. Me, I'd be happy with a Barilla substitute for Garofalo, but would be willing to make lotsa noise when 3XL is changed into S. Is this system designed so you can deny taking the nonsense without making lotsa noise? In case: do they then fetch it, or do you need to go to a shop?

Not good enough. We wanna read everything about this Ergo guy. Seems like quite the character. 😁

Reportedly, and also from my own experience, Music Man are extremely particular about parts. I think you're probably best off contacting them directly. They'll likely ask you to send the part to them before they'll send out another. I hope I'm wrong, and that my case was the odd one out (took a year before I received a fitting pot for my NOS Bongo).

Compare that to the Behringer Model D at £169. 🙂 (Though admittedly the latter is only a scale model. 😀 )

Much saddened by this. Sam clearly was a very decent human. I believe her contribution to NHS as well as BC will be remembered. May she rest in peace. Thank you, Steve, for caring enough.

This thread brings back memories of the StingRay being introduced (how time flies) with lots of tech speak and calculations. This was supposed to show us exactly how and why the StingRay position made sense. Corporate mumbo jumbo? Dunno, but the sound was convincing enough.

No idea. I've never been knowledgeable in this, and also have forgotten more than I ever knew. I've tried to have thoughts about this, and thought that maybe Hz/V is more easy to get right in the upper octaves. However, I do not know this, and it might be bollocks. At any rate, it seems limiting if all you have got to work with are limited voltage ranges - e.g. that V/Oct might give a broader frequency range without the use of expensive circuitry. I do remember interconnecting my Kawai 100F with my MS-20, which gave that going down a half tone on one keyboard meant the other synth went up, but then with either a quarter tone or a whole tone - depending on which keyboard one played. Also, we had this interconnecting trick (do really not remember the specifics), whereby the MS-20 patch bay and the mod wheel together made interconnecting a "doddle" of sorts. You'd have to turn the mod wheel very carefully to a fixed position to get this right, and you lost normal use of the mod wheel. Ghastly, but still had a certain charm. I vaguely remember having seen your circuit-in-jack-plug solution somewhere, but haven't used it myself. Yeah, it seems a shame that standardisation hasn't occurred morely betterly.

Don't know yet (have not had the time), but have seen 1V/Oct, 5V triggers (the 2600 reportedly being the odd one out (10V IMS) even though it should normally work from 6V and up), and CV ranges from -2.5V to 2.5V (but I think I somewhere also saw -5V to 5V without me remembering the product that relates to). One day I hope to find everything out for the units I have (or might buy later). Right now stuff goes on in my life that keeps me from doing that. I don't know to what degree stuff has been standardised lately, but Eurorack is reported as being non-standardised. I know zilch about Eurorack.

Thanks, @pfretrock. Really helpful. Without knowing too much about this stuff, I think we may be seeing similar design quirks in the Behringer 2600 inputs. Half-related only, and I've yet to write down the factual details, an opamp might be in order also to send sequences to the 2600, as it reportedly demands high voltages - - though reportedly not as high ones as the ARP 2600.

Aye, and I can find them a bit more easily. Don't like rummaging.

Seems they might be going bankrupt in Holland now. Before, Bax in Holland had a good name, and all the criticism I saw was about their UK branch. Unknown to me how and why. Reportedly, also Bax Holland's name has gone down the drain recently. Today (Saturday) one or more of their Dutch shops were closed, and the firm filed for "postponement of payment" or something like that, which normally is a step towards bankruptcy. Dunno the finer details.

Yeah, many fair points, I think, and I agree about the MS-20 patch bay. As said in the 2600 thread, we tend to often want a module we don't have. With for example my poor-man's solution, one does have the extra VCAs and EGs, and gets those at a cost within reach, e.g. 1200 quid in total for the mentioned four synths. In Eurorack, I feel one hyperbolically needs a degree in modules to be able to find the cheap modules that do what one wants, and then still has to invest in the cabinets. But yeah, really attractive with separate modules these days. Back in the days when we could buy a 2600 or MS-20, the alternatives like Buchla, Moog and Synton cost a leg and a rib. Off the top of my head I can't remember much else. BTW, I worked with all three brands, and did find the patching quite tedious back then; things have certainly changed. Then there's the bread-and-butter sounds: quickly dialled in on a semi-modular, whereas on a modular, one needs to either patch or keep patches. Keith Emerson famously had parts of his Moog set up as separate synths - IMS one of those resembled a Minimoog.

Thanks. I think I will. The 2600 is well-regarded too. IMS every reviewer raves about it, and reportedly it has decent build quality. Personally, I have the Model D for "that sound" and its superfast dialling, the Model 15 for some extra bits and the sequencing and arpeggiating, and two 2600s for all the tinkering that my brain can muster. If money was no concern, I'd get more modern Eurorack modules, as it's unbelievable what some of those offer. Though: I fear the rabbit hole.

Yeah, one has to keep a clear mind, or else it's easy to get dragged in. Have you considered semi-modular, like the 2600 and others as a compromise of sorts? For me personally, after having spent virtually no time on tinkering for decades, these knobs and cables offer a welcome return to it, as I've loved tinkering since the early 70s. As to going modular, I decided against it - not for tinkering reasons but for pecuniary ones. Just the price of Eurorack cabinets alone! Yeah, some of Behringer's offerings seem stellar in that regard, and for example the Model D and the 2600 also offer more than the originals.

Thanks for all of that, RatM ! Bugger about the build quality. IIRC, Moog was once known for build quality, but then again, I've not handled any since the early '80s or even followed developments in the market. The Behringer OTOH is part of a series you may know well, which seems to share fairly good builds (reportedly except the Pro-800), but, as said in another thread, with surface-mount patch points rather than panel-mount ones. Reports on recent developments re Behringer synth build quality vary somewhat, some saying the last two years have been worse again. 😕 I think I'll need some time to get to grips with the patch panel too, as it's not always immediately clear exactly what is meant with the labelling. Don't imagine it's difficult once given some time, but do expect to need to remember quite some details. Same with the 2600, where one superficially might think one knows what to expect from a patch point, and then there's this tiny detail that makes it work differently. Hadn't heard of the Sirin, but it's not on my radar - my "70s monophonic analogueness" cravings having been met with the synths I bought this year. A DFaM or Edge might suddenly see my desktop. I've never used or owned a thing like those, and have no idea what to expect of them, so a visit to YT is probably in order. I'm not wary of repeating patterns, but they do need to develop over time, just like TD and others made them do. Thanks again! bert

Thanks, RatM ! The more I read, the more I think they're practically interchangeable, which makes me wonder whether that's even legal. Problematic. I also saw the old Realistic MG-1 being mentioned as their source synth, but feel that's stretching it. But yeah, it did have colours. 🙂 I trust you have a great synth in the GM. Are you satisfied with it? I do know you've mentioned it, but forgot how you're getting along with it. Yeah, the Model 15 is tiny and very handy. With that, it of course also comes with that Eurorack drawback of "two-knobs-per-finger". I'll probably get used to it. The tiny space also means label abbreviations, but again I trust one gets used to it.

Just got it a few days ago, and already love it to bits. From what I hear and read, it has the VCOs and VCF from Moog System clones (Behringer 900 series), and thus, this thing sounds just a smidgen less deep and phat than a Minimoog. Can't compare with my Behringer Model D yet, as these things are in different countries. Now, what I "miss" from the Minimoog as I remember it, is muchly compensated by the extensive patch panel (48 points) and the arpeggiator and 256-step sequencer (and probably other bits too). The "Karn Evil 9" department: Had a blast putting its synth outro into the sequencer and, without me even doing my best, the 2 VCOs plus sub-octave sounded very much like that iconic sequence. Few knobs, but not simple. Fast dialling, like with a Minimoog, and then you get the patch panel too. Melurve.

... and there was me thinking Cameo were nothing to spend time on ... (that was based on their mid-'70s output) ... and then this. Thanks for posting!

Saw the same scam both in Norway and The Netherlands, and what struck me was the comments section: lotsa fake comments from fake accounts, and say half of the names were English sounding whilst half sounded Norse or Dutch, but the names were a bit off. Obviously a scam ran from abroad, and its designers have a rough idea of foreign-to-them names, but not quite. That said, the fake people were very happy with their speakers, as they so eloquently put to three words, so I reckon it's all good. 😁

Will do, @Steve Browning. Thanks.

I appreciate that you don't remember the details; most wouldn't, and only a few would. Personally, in this case I'd remember some details, but probably not all. Still, I guess I must've worded my post poorly, so I'll try to reword: A BC owner told BC readers about his experiences as a member of the audience at the name person's stand-up gig. That name person somehow learned about this and started threatening BC with a court case. Owners told us the very existence of BC was under threat. Trying to be in BC's corner, I asked my questions, and, instead of answering the questions, that person tried and partially succeeded in making me look like the bad person. Some people on BC thanked me profusely; others started the blaming and the namecalling. Since, every now and then someone refers to me as a bully or as the one who "has hounded off" said person. I've kept silent after BC owners asked me to. I think there was no "hounding off", and if there was a bully, it was not me. Instead, I think I was someone attempting to help BC remain in existence, by asking three simple questions. The relevance of something said at a stand-up performance exists (solely?) in that the story was told on BC by one of its owners, and the name person then threatened to drag BC to court. I think there was no subject matter of people trying to treat said person badly over his reported racial stereotyping or over musical choices he may have made. I at least have not seen such treating him badly. On the contrary, I saw people submissively treat him like someone on another, higher, level. The subject matter as far as I could see it was only his threatening BC with a court case.

I've kept silent until now, but no more. That person threatened BC with a court case, thus essentially threatening the very existence of BC. This was after one of BC's owners had reported about that person's use of racial stereotyping during a stand-up performance of his. In response, I asked that person three questions - - questions that were easy to answer. Also: they were attemptedly (probably failedly) designed such that they might bring some clarity in a court case - should that person decide to go forward and drag BC to court. That person decided to not answer those three questions (my guess is he's smart enough to have understood the implications of his answering them), and singled me out as the terrible person. Seemingly, you along some others lapped it up. Me, I'm not impressed.