IK Multimedia ToneX One, anyone?

[YellowLedBetterBass]

I've been using a Tonex One for ampless guitar in a covers band for a few months and have absolutely loved it. I'll use it either straight into the desk or into the FX return of a house amp (if there is one) with the IRs turned off. So long as the monitoring is ok, no complaints (and if the monitoring is crap, I have a Behringer P2 and in ears and will just take a line from whatever wedge is nearest).

 

Now I'm playing bass for that same covers band, I'm going to give it a go again for ampless bass tones.

[Owen]

https://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=18585&srsltid=AfmBOoqthV76YOiuviVyhG7nRSzO6p5AC7McW50CZ4qqIzqaGBqNarBx

 

 

[bnt]

I hope they'll offer the option to audition amps and maybe buy individual models. I'm not going to pay $100 for 150 models, of which I would use 10 at most.

[YellowLedBetterBass]

So it's just a reskin of the original Tonex One? I'm hoping so!

 

I can see the parallel wet/dry thing being useful, but beyond that I'm really not interested in any of the added "features", as I tend to find a lot of the user created captures are better than IKs stuff anyway.

[bnt]

I see nothing to indicate anything more than cosmetic changes to the hardware, everything is done in software. 

[spyder]

https://youtu.be/vwq1u3qmt8A?si=SpoepK11OJgK4SzE

[warwickhunt]

Watched 2 minutes of that... Jeez what is so difficult about carrying a TRS>XLR cable with you when you have a Tonex, Stomp et al?  

[MichaelDean]

4 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

Watched 2 minutes of that... Jeez what is so difficult about carrying a TRS>XLR cable with you when you have a Tonex, Stomp et al?  

BuT i'M a BaSsiT! i NeEd XlR! 🙃

 

I also don't understand the frustration it seems to generate. I don't think guitarists are so ready to get so angry about the lack of an XLR.

[Paddy777]

53 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

Watched 2 minutes of that... Jeez what is so difficult about carrying a TRS>XLR cable with you when you have a Tonex, Stomp et al?  

Exactly. 
 

With regards the Tonex, I’ve said for ages I rate it highly - I sold mine and tbh regretted it. I’m likely going to buy the small Tonex One pedal with this bass pack pre loaded on it — £179 in Andertons and you can use some pretty cheap midi pedals to get more functionality from it that you do the big Tonex (like so) 👇 

I’ve got the Stomp which has acceptable amp/cab sims, I’ve got a great analogue preamp which I only really bought so I could run it into my amps fx loop on gigs with backline but use for everything currently, however the Tonex amps are streets ahead of either really if you’re going direct or recording (Just IMO ofc) 

Edited 10 hours ago by Paddy777

[thisisswanbon]

Seems a shame there’s a price jump from the tonex one to the tonex one bass edition though. The promise of a wet dry blend has me potentially sold though - it’ll likely kick my ultra wave and jam rattler off the board and I’ll keep the tone hammer as a DI/tone sculpt 

[LukeFRC]

2 hours ago, thisisswanbon said:

Seems a shame there’s a price jump from the tonex one to the tonex one bass edition though. The promise of a wet dry blend has me potentially sold though - it’ll likely kick my ultra wave and jam rattler off the board and I’ll keep the tone hammer as a DI/tone sculpt 

So the £130 pedal becomes £180 if it's preloaded with presets that I presume you could add to the £130 one? Have I got that right? 

[Jackopie1]

Is the compressor in the One any good?

[dave_bass5]

4 hours ago, warwickhunt said:

Watched 2 minutes of that... Jeez what is so difficult about carrying a TRS>XLR cable with you when you have a Tonex, Stomp et al?  

That really wound me up as well. Since when is on the player to provide all the gear needed to go in to a PA anyway.

[thisisswanbon]

1 hour ago, LukeFRC said:

So the £130 pedal becomes £180 if it's preloaded with presets that I presume you could add to the £130 one? Have I got that right? 

That's how it looks!  Although they're presenting the presets as premium which makes me wonder if they're model specific... Clever marketing I suppose but poor for the consumer

[rwillett]

32 minutes ago, thisisswanbon said:

That's how it looks!  Although they're presenting the presets as premium which makes me wonder if they're model specific... Clever marketing I suppose but poor for the consumer

Thats the business model for IK Media. Always find a way to get consumers to pay more and more.

 

[bnt]

2 hours ago, Jackopie1 said:

Is the compressor in the One any good?

 

It does compression and doesn't seem to cause any issues or tone changes in the process. I haven't given it a thorough workout, though, since I use a compressor before the ToneX, then the ToneX compressor is set to post-effects. 

[dave_bass5]

15 minutes ago, rwillett said:

Thats the business model for IK Media. Always find a way to get consumers to pay more and more.

 

Isn’t that just business? No one if forced to upgrade, but surely if you want new things it’s not out of the ordinary to pay for them. 

[MichaelDean]

2 hours ago, LukeFRC said:

So the £130 pedal becomes £180 if it's preloaded with presets that I presume you could add to the £130 one? Have I got that right? 

Well, you can gain access to these new bass ones on any ToneX pedal for the low, low price of €99 by purchasing the whole collection...

[thisisswanbon]

32 minutes ago, MichaelDean said:

Well, you can gain access to these new bass ones on any ToneX pedal for the low, low price of €99 by purchasing the whole collection...

That explains why the ToneX Bass is a full £100 more than the standard ToneX! Rediculous really

[warwickhunt]

39 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

So the £130 pedal becomes £180 if it's preloaded with presets that I presume you could add to the £130 one? Have I got that right? 

 

That's my thinking.  Are the regular bass presets available for free on Tonex website... which you could load into a regular 'guitar' pedal.

 

[rwillett]

2 hours ago, dave_bass5 said:

Isn’t that just business? No one if forced to upgrade, but surely if you want new things it’s not out of the ordinary to pay for them. 

I have no issues with companies doing business, but when they try to extract every last penny from you, it starts to grate.

 

A bit like Ryan Air when they floated the idea of charging £1 to use the toilets, or BMW (was it BMW?) now building cars with heated seats in to all their cars but you pay for them on a monthly subscription. BMW's view is that you can always choose if you want heated seats and not pay for them if not, but the cost of making the car is already incurred, they are now trying to to extract out a monthly or annual charge for a heated seat. So I could have brought the car outright, but still paying five years later to have a warm bum. Thankfully, most car companies have little idea of real security and somebody will hack into the system and charge you a £100 for a lifetime of warm buttocks.

 

Sometimes it's a fine line between what is acceptable to me and not, other people will have their own views. 

 

Rob

[la bam]

Imo the tonex is worth ten times what it costs. It's outstanding value. But one before everyone sussed and buys them and prices go up. 

[rwillett]

The Pirate Midi Polar Max is based on this open source project https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController/tree/main I thought I'd seen something similar to this. 

 

10% of sales go to the person who manages the code, which is good.

 

If you wanted to save money, you could (if you were so inclined):

1. Buy this https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController/blob/main/HardwarePlatform_Waveshare4.3B.md
2. Buy 2-16 pedal switches plus this board https://www.sparkfun.com/sparkfun-16-output-i-o-expander-breakout-sx1509.html
3. Buy this for Midi https://www.amazon.com/HiLetgo-Reciprocal-Hardware-Automatic-Converter/dp/B082Y19KV9
4. Build yourself a case 
5. Download the firmware and test it works

though I'm not sure how much money you'd save TBH as all of this takes time and I would value my time at more than it costs to build this, but it's neat and you can still plug in extra pedal switches such as the Chocolate.

 

I did have one question for any Chocolate owners, I didn't think that the Chocolate supported switching through pressing C & D together. I will have to look again and perhaps there is a firmware upgrade.

 

Rob

[dave_bass5]

I was all set to get a Tonex One a few weeks ago, but then i found out that i cant just hook it up to a Chocolate (like i could with the GP-5), without the Pirate box. 

So i thinking of getting full size one. Not sure I’ll brother with the bass stuff at this point, an amp’s and amp after all, and there seems to be plenty in the standard version. 

Can anyone tell me if it’s possible to keep the amp/cab on and turn effects on and off? Would i still need soemthing like the Pirate box even with the larger Tonex, or can i hook it up directly?

 

Thanks for any info. Im still trying to get my head around what is and isn’t possible with these things. 

[bnt]

The stock ToneX One has some very good bass models* such as The Fridge (SVT), and there are a lot more on ToneNet as captures.*

 

The Bass editions include 150 more bass presets (not models), plus a license for the Signature Bass Collection (150 models) for download. They are selling the latter separately for €100 (here before VAT), so if you buy a new Bass edition, you’re getting those models at a major discount off that price. But as I said, I don’t actually want or need 150 more models, and I wish they would offer some separately. 

 

* as I understand it, a Capture captures a signal chain at a particular set of settings, while a Model emulates the signal chain with its actual controls.  So if I change the Gain or EQ on The Fridge (model), that should react similarly to the controls on a real Ampeg SVT. But if I use (say) a GK 800RB capture from ToneNet, that was captured at certain settings, and while the Gain and EQ on the ToneX still do stuff, they aren’t modelling the equivalent controls on the GK. A Preset then is the amp model or capture plus the other settings (compressor, EQ, effects etc.)