Rich Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Well strictly speaking they're not so much isolated as pushed right up in the mix, but hey, it's still the Gedmeister doing his majestic thing. Tom Sawyer [media]http://youtu.be/AU3oytIiBfU[/media] YYZ [media]http://youtu.be/hPAqEQ1_ctQ[/media] Red Barchetta [media]http://youtu.be/OKtG9PUr3cM[/media] Limelight [media]http://youtu.be/_-kQsVk8K4c[/media] Digital Man (bass and drums) [media]http://youtu.be/cIN6Yt6iV3U[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 I don't think they're original. It's not him. There are some on YouTube that are though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisK1975 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1470421755' post='3105941'] I don't think they're original. It's not him. There are some on YouTube that are though. [/quote] Well that didn't take long. Every time someone posts these up there's always a huge debate about whether they're original or not. Seen it so many times with the likes of Geddy. Steve Harris, etc etc.... Fact is they are all probably genuine and just pushed up in the mix on Guitar Hero. People just don't seem to get that an isolated bass will never sound the same as hearing the bass in the full mix. I've even seen Steve Harris ones debated and called 'sloppy'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1470421755' post='3105941'] I don't think they're original. It's not him. There are some on YouTube that are though. [/quote] These are totally him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Take them at face value. If you don't think they're him, fine. Stop listening and walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 I'm quite happy with how sloppy and different isolated bass sounds thanks. I didn't think 2 days to reply was particularly quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 I think he has a great future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofio Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 it is Geddy Lee , i have been listening to this guy for 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I can't listen to them all on my phone but the ones I can are definitely Geddy. There's no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) One thing I did think about on YYZ was those fiddly little fills he does in 2 or 3 places don't sound like they were recorded with the rest of the bass track, maybe dropped in later? I might be wrong but one of them sounds like it actually overlaps one of the notes slightly of the 'main' line which also suggests its an extra overdub. The tone of the fills sounds different too to me. Of course there may be lots of edits in there for all we know, no rule says it all has to be one take. Most final parts are probably composites of various takes I guess. Edited August 6, 2016 by KevB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 If it is Geddy they're not the final edits as per the finished album tracks. Maybe it's just the best single take they had plus some overdubs to complete it. Apparently reading the comments it's what Rush supplied for Garage band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Dunky Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Who is Geddy Lee? Is he any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1470481102' post='3106283'] If it is Geddy they're not the final edits as per the finished album tracks. Maybe it's just the best single take they had plus some overdubs to complete it. Apparently reading the comments it's what Rush supplied for Garage band. [/quote] Can you provide specific examples of differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1470482767' post='3106300'] Can you provide specific examples of differences? [/quote] 24seconds into Limelight he plays up the octave. There are discussions in the comments about this being the way he plays it live now. It could be that he popped into a studio and quickly ran up these recording especially for Garage Band, it may have been easier and quicker than trying to piece together the original, which is probably stored away in tape somewhere. Edited August 6, 2016 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) I know that backing tracks were created for YYZ for Grade 8 Bass Guitar: [url="http://trinityrockstore.fabermusic.com/YYZ-Grade-8-Bass-b1018.aspx"]http://trinityrockst...Bass-b1018.aspx[/url] I'm not 100% sure but I think this is also a piece for guitar and drums, therefore the relevant backing tracks for these would also exist. Whether they originated from Rush themselves or others played them, I don't know. BUT I do suspect that the isolated bass tracks in the OP are Rush, and are created by some kind of process which cleverly mutes/isolates just the one part, obviously this process is imperfect and introduces some weird tones into the bassline. Edited August 6, 2016 by paul_c2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I started off enjoying this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Nice playing but YYZ is not Geddy - the middle part of the guitar solo section is missing the little 32nd note fill Geddy does near the beginning, which is on the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 [quote name='acidbass' timestamp='1470594627' post='3106980'] Nice playing but YYZ is not Geddy - the middle part of the guitar solo section is missing the little 32nd note fill Geddy does near the beginning, which is on the record. [/quote] I'm amazed that anyone can think the YYZ track above isn't Geddy. The distortion is the same, the little pops and crunches are the same, the tonal/volume differences on the solo drop-ins are the same... What more can I say? There are some copies on Youtube masquerading as the real thing but they are instantly noticeable, no matter how clever. I'm not sure which section you are referring to as different but I know some of the Rock Band tracks use slightly different takes to the ones released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1470603014' post='3107079'] I'm amazed that anyone can think the YYZ track above isn't Geddy. The distortion is the same, the little pops and crunches are the same, the tonal/volume differences on the solo drop-ins are the same... What more can I say? There are some copies on Youtube masquerading as the real thing but they are instantly noticeable, no matter how clever. I'm not sure which section you are referring to as different but I know some of the Rock Band tracks use slightly different takes to the ones released. [/quote] There are several differences on the YYZ track. It's certainly not the Moving Pictures recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Didn't Carol Kaye play them all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 [quote name='SpondonBassed'] I started off enjoying this thread... [/quote] Yup. I'm starting to wish I hadn't bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 (edited) [quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1470604867' post='3107100'] There are several differences on the YYZ track. It's certainly not the Moving Pictures recording. [/quote] Yes. They're not what's on the final cut. I think if I'd been asked to find some recordings of me playing bass 35 years ago I'd struggle to find the final mix, let alone individual tracks and remember which parts had drop outs and overdubs. They're certainly not what's on the recording of Moving Pictures. Exactly what they are it would be interesting to know. My money is still on a complete re-recording by Geddy for GarageBand. That's what I would have done. . Edited August 7, 2016 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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