RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Having a discussion with a friend , about the trends in metal. One of the topics to rise , was the trend for all things angry. Now, back in the '80s it seemed that there were so many Rob Halford wannabes . Most were cack. Some were good. So then thrash /death/speed came along roughly in the early '80s. Slayer were probably the most well known for a change from the screamy stuff at the time. Venom , celtic frost etc . Then there was lawnmower death. Apart from queensryche / maiden /priest ( I know I've missed some), everyone seems to sound like they've swallowed an Alsatian . Question is, who started it ? Edited May 30, 2014 by RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megallica Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I think it might have been venom that started the whole angry growl vocal approach. I seem to remember Slayer giving Venom a lot of credit for that vocal style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Yeah, could be. Saw them at hammy o back in the day. They were good. Exodus played with paul bail off too. Had all of venoms early albums. Can't listen to them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Preist never really shouted though, songs like Living After Midnight we sung rather than shouted. I remember seing biohazard live in London somewhere in the early 90's, now they just shouted and growled through 2 hours of noise. Judas never did that, they played for 2 hours. IMHO anyway. Cheers, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 [quote name='Diablo' timestamp='1401492774' post='2464314'] Preist never really shouted though, songs like Living After Midnight we sung rather than shouted. I remember seing biohazard live in London somewhere in the early 90's, now they just shouted and growled through 2 hours of noise. Judas never did that, they played for 2 hours. IMHO anyway. Cheers, Rich [/quote] Sorry rich - crossed wires here. I think ithe answer to my question seems to be venom ( unless another name comes up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Supported Venom back in the day at The Honeysuckle in Gateshead. Bit shouty, bit scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Whilst all that growly stuff was going on i was listening to Mercyful Fate and King Diamond......just saying lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Napalm Death. Discharge. Edited May 31, 2014 by Spike Vincent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dyer Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Napalm Death came after Venom. Discharge could well be one of the first to use that kind of vocal style but they were more a punk outfit than rock. But I do remember listening to Discharge's 'Why' EP at the same I came across Venom's first release, way back in my sixth form days. Crikey I'm showing me age... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterfire666 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 ha ha, i forgot about venom, ive never been into the shouty stuff personally but theres a time and a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 [quote name='Number6' timestamp='1401531506' post='2464450'] Whilst all that growly stuff was going on i was listening to Mercyful Fate and King Diamond......just saying lol [/quote] Me too;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 [quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1401511407' post='2464340'] Supported Venom back in the day at The Honeysuckle in Gateshead. Bit shouty, bit scary. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Possessed seven churches, Morbid angel Altars of madness. Death scream bloody gore. Perhaps.. Edited May 31, 2014 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykilz Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 IMO it was brought into the mainstream by Phil Anselmo on Vulgar Display of Power, which went massive for them, and rightly so, but a lot of copy cat bands took Anselmos agressive barking vocals to the 'next' level, although, as said above, it was probably started by Napalm Death and their ilk! I'm now too old and like my metal with 'proper' vocals.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Coffee Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 [quote name='RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE' timestamp='1401487894' post='2464264'] Having a discussion with a friend , about the trends in metal. One of the topics to rise , was the trend for all things angry. Now, back in the '80s it seemed that there were so many Rob Halford wannabes . Most were cack. Some were good. Question is, who started it ? [/quote] Johnny Rotten ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 It was actually started by a Chicken. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43JOxLa5MM&feature=kp"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43JOxLa5MM&feature=kp[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethFlatlands Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Hatebeak. Confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I love the style of fast aggressive music but some times when the vocals kick in I do think WTF lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 [quote name='GarethFlatlands' timestamp='1401563368' post='2464849'] Hatebeak. Confirmed. [/quote] Confirmed, but not strictly true. The true originator of the sound had to growl before Waldo in order to teach him. Waldo just "parroted" the style, if you forgive the term. Good call though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I guess possessed got the first album out with Seven Churches in 1985 and their Death Metal demo of 1984. By 87 Bolt Thrower, Morbid Angel, Death and a handful of others consolidated the genre, most of them inspired by Black Sabbath, Venom, Slayer, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Looks like the rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megallica Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I bought a compilation called Metal Killers from Woolworths in the 80's and Venom's "song" black metal was a bit of a shock to the system. Venom were releasing albums back in 1979 - which makes them the original black/death metal as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megallica Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Exodus with Baloff would have been fun too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) [quote name='megallica' timestamp='1401696503' post='2465818'] I bought a compilation called Metal Killers from Woolworths in the 80's and Venom's "song" black metal was a bit of a shock to the system. Venom were releasing albums back in 1979 - which makes them the original black/death metal as far as I know. [/quote] Fairly sure it was 1980 we supported them. 80/83 we did gigs with bands as diverse as Gillan, Marillion, Venom and Saracen. Mind supporting Shakin Stevens and The Sunset's in 1976..... Edited June 2, 2014 by karlfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I prefer the Doom Metal that came along a little later based on the original Sabbath type music......Candlemass were great with Messiah Marcolin on vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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