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[quote name='Mark Latimour' post='964216' date='Sep 22 2010, 10:40 AM']Right, so you haven't played one. I guess that kinda says all one really needs to know about your opinion on the actual value of the basses in the hands of a player. On the "theoretical" pricing debate, my point is simply that bass pricing is whatver the bass pricing is. You can be as upset as you like about the fact that you can't afford it or that, even if you could, you don't think its worth it. However, that's basically irrelevant because its clear that the market thinks the basses are worth it. There are plenty of bass companies that disconinue models etc because the market thinks those models arn't worth it. OTOH it seems pretty silly to me to bang on about how a bass with a 6 month+ waiting list "isn't worth it" (and i'm not suggesting that's what you are saying). To be honest, I would struggle to be able to justify buying another Sadwosky at their current prices, but I don't think they arn't worth it, I just realise that I can't afford what they cost. There is a big difference. NOw, there are some basses out there that I do think charge more than I would be willing to pay for a bass, but I don't think that they arn't worth it (they also have waiting lists), I just appreciate theres a difference between my valuation of the bass and the markets valuation. Put simply: if something's overpriced it won't sell, if it sells, whether or not you'd be prepared to buy it is irrelevant to pricing consideration and I see little value in posting in a thread complaining about price if you wouldn't buy it anyway.[/quote] Read it again. Its not like I havent played one. I have played 3 or so. I even went back in to see if it was just the amp etc causing me to wonder what the fuss was about. I dont understand the comment about not being able to afford one. Is that aimed at me? I looked into buying one of these (yes a NYC and a Metro) and I even thought about going over there and having a holiday at the same time. Anyway, thats pointless arguing whether someone can or cannot afford one, and again is just being a little bit patronising to not just myself, but anyone who reads this. I dont like it when for no reason people start being overly aggressive on here. Its the internet, not real life. A forum like this doesnt normally have such comments. Waiting list....? Virtually all companies bar the big production companies like Fender have waiting lists. On contact with Lakland a month ago, they have a 4 month waiting list on their 44-60 Jazz bass. Ive even known Fender to have waiting lists at some points.

Orange Thunderverb 200. Designed for both....serious low end if you like ultra dark and bassy type guitar tones eg Queens of The Stone Ages.

Excuse me, I have no incapability understanding anything around supply and demand. I would just take note that all we are doing is discussing, and trying to keep it friendly. I wouldnt start attacking anyones understanding of business, espcially considering we dont know each others background/hobbies and occupation. Ive worked in small and extremely busy businesses whilst studying, and I understand how these basic principles work. Supply and demand, yes. No objection. Price? Well, I can say what I like. Its not like Ive not played one. Its seems as soon as someone touches a nerve, (for instance if there is a NYC or Metro owner reading) we all have to endure yet another attack on our opinion.

[quote name='Danny Clarke PROEL' post='964142' date='Sep 22 2010, 09:39 AM']Fair comments there from Spongebob, I will certianly have a word with the word with the workshop staff here as there has definatley been some crossed wires along the way. Whoever said that speakers are not covered under warranty was speaking out ot of turn. Every part of a markbass cabinet is covered under warranty but as I said before, in the case of a cone driver, it would depend on what the problem was. It is true that B&C offer a 3 year warranty on its standard catalogue products but no loudspeaker manufacturer would cover a burnt coil, or say the driver getting wet etc etc so warranty of driveres always has to be assesses on a case by case basis. Cheers Danny[/quote] Danny, thanks for clarifying it for all of us Markbass owners. Perhaps what might be a good idea is some sort of central email address where we can contact Proel straight away without any worry? Obviously I understand sometimes its best to goto the dealer, but sometimes its easier to contact you guys direct and then go from there. Cheers

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='964061' date='Sep 22 2010, 07:42 AM']Mine just sits on top of my amp so no danger of it getting broken. I also can live without it if it packed up. But for some reason I still want a BDDI. It just looks slot better and has more output options.[/quote] Its definitely, IMO, a great bit of kit. Solid and plug n play. When I started playing more gigs a few years back, EVERY bass player had one even if they didnt have other pedals. SOme used it for putting it through the amp, and some used it for DI'ing. Ive used it for both at once and it works well.

[quote name='CHRISDABASS' post='963509' date='Sep 21 2010, 04:38 PM']Ive just been speaking to roger about the mass production issue etc He read this thread and gave me these figures Average NYC production is 15-20 basses a month. Average Metro production is 40 basses a month, worldwide. We have 7 builders in the NY workshop. I bet fender do that in a day!! Lol[/quote] I wouldnt say thats small production though. Nothing is going to come close to the manic Fender production, but 40 Metros a month is still a fair few IMO.

The venue in my old town where we used to play a lot now has a no-beer rule for the stage. Good idea.

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963348' date='Sep 21 2010, 02:29 PM']I don't know about that, because when I played an NYC bass it was privately owned. I suppose a large part of my disappointment was that I was sitting down with a "Sadowsky", a name that has some much weight attached. And at the end of the day, when it's just a jazz bass and not a particularly outstanding one at that, you're bound to be left feeling disapppointed. I like jazz basses just as much as the next bloke, but for the same cash you could have a Sei or a Wal![/quote] This is the same as my experience, except I tried all Metros. They have outstandting fit and finish (and so they should) which id never argue with. [quote name='CHRISDABASS' post='963352' date='Sep 21 2010, 02:34 PM']Its gonna be interesting to see what happens to the opinion on Alleva's now Jimmy is using his new cnc machine for everything! [/quote] Exactly. Lets face it, if we were offered cash on something we'd worked on for years, hell yes Id sell and enjoy my life. Why not? In 5 years times Sadowsky and Alleva will be much larger names, and something else will be boutique. Same with a band. Id sell out in seconds if it meant earning and not stressing myself out being a trainee solicitor If I remember correctly, one underground hardcore band said (Coalesce): "Sometimes selling out is waking up."

[quote name='CHRISDABASS' post='963308' date='Sep 21 2010, 01:56 PM']I'd love to know how many metro's / laklands are made... I know that the New York shop makes around 20 basses per month so its pretty small scale really! You must have caught Kevin at a bad / busy time in the sadowsky office, ive had nothing but great service over the last few years, Ive even had strings, new volume pots and input jacks sent over to me for free just so i could try them out and i always get helpful replies to my questions. [/quote] I think they make Lakland Skylines in either groups of 30 or 60 according to the last time I asked them. Might be more now. Kevin seemed fine, it was Roger who seemed rather, hmm, I wont say anything rude.

Jees guys calm it! Dont get so defensive! We all chase the same thing on here I personally think at those prices, you are best off with a Sei, or an Alleva. Without a doubt. The NYCs arent everywhere here, but they are in the USA. I dont see, despite the fact I dont like how Lakland finish off their basses, why their is such a price difference on a fairly mass produced Metro cf to a Lakland Skyline. All made elsewhere then checked and fitted in the USA. Not a problem with that, but I dont see why they cost so much?! I wouldnt mind, but when I emailed them a fair while back, I felt slightly miffed at the somewhat sharp and slightly off responses. Made me realised If I had a problem with one once Id bought it, Id not feel happy complaining.

If you check Thomann these prices are virtually the same or more, so probably cheaper from Thomann! Still good prices mind.

IMO, expensive bit of kit.

I think a lot of TCs gig artists are using these amps with 3 cabs. If it wasnt recommended, they'd have units going back for repair all the time. I wont do it very often, but the option is there. Mainly I bought them to swap and change, and because at the time, before the price hike, they were very reasonable.

[quote name='JTUK' post='962976' date='Sep 21 2010, 09:05 AM']Silly money for production basses, IMV.[/quote] It is going that way. Thye didnt used to be so highly in demand which meant I could understand the high price tag. Now, they are churning them out. It makes a new Musicman seem cheap and they are all built and checked in the USA. Ive only had one with an issue and that was more down to a new model I think. Btw, off topic, but GuitarGuitar are expensive anyway. I went to ask them for a box yesterday, (they had a lot hanging around) and they wanted £5.00, even for a scruffy one. So I went to the Windows Music shop and they gave me one for free....then I just picked up some spare card at an office nearby. Those NYCs are hung up for everyone to play. There is no chance Id want one after its been played like mad at that price.

[quote name='lojo' post='962435' date='Sep 20 2010, 05:19 PM']You have to do that soon and post what happens, if you survive [/quote] Hhaha, definitely. Most bands I play with havent got a clue what they are. The bassist normally has a normal size/type of cab and mine looks like 'the future'.

Man, those prices....jees. Actually, the Metro prices (some of them) arent far off. Thats one serious investment. If im honest Id buy direct for a NYC model.

[quote name='JTUK' post='962021' date='Sep 20 2010, 11:44 AM']Stupid design top put side vents on a rack mountable. I'd just put a fan in blowing from the back.[/quote] That is odd! One thing I dont miss from my Trace is the bloomin fan that 100& necessary. The micro amps I have are very quiet and the Orange just doesnt use a fan..I love the smell of warmed up tubes!

[quote name='Colledge' post='961359' date='Sep 19 2010, 05:49 PM']i prefer the red rubber rings off a grolsch bottle.[/quote] Plus one. Normally I would suggest locks, but I really DONT like playing with them on. Just feels odd and clunky. Having it locked in some sense is very necessary, so the orange rubber rings work a treat and come off with a bit of force. I used a cheap old bass and held it over my bed with the rubber rings on, and gave it a damn good bit of shaking, and the rubber rings worked a treat. From then on, Im happy with them and make sure I put them on when im gigging.

It does, a little. It has an inherent tone, which a lot of players like. Then again, its all down to if it suits your tastes. It does suck the mids, and give you quite a modern 'Ampeg being thrashed at hi gain' when you crank the gain, but I love it. Excellent bit of kit!

I've concluded that for rock, you can't beat a p bass or stingray. I love the Jazz tone but I prefer the feel of a P and the fact I feel it sits easier in the mix. If I'm in a bad moodor stressed, I always seem to struggle liking my tone 100%.