Musicman20

Hey everyone! Thanks for the input; I appreciate everyone’s views on the whole lightweight scenario. I discussed the Schroeder 1212L at length with a few guys on here, and it seems awesome. Especially for its size. The price tag isn’t too bad. My concern is that recently the Schroe stuff has taken a bashing. A few guys have told me to be careful, and have complained that the cabs were not squared off (thus didn’t sit flat correctly!). This is something that I could really do without; I’m quite picky with things like that, so I’d never be happy with it. I don’t mind the mid-hump to be fair, I think I’d grow to dig it quite a lot. Also, something about cheap inputs for the speaker inputs?! I exchanged some PM’s with Simon about the Berg AE410 some weeks back, and I’ve discussed the HS410 with Geoff a fair bit. Both cabs seem awesome and compact. But….I’m still not left with a really compact and/or modular rig. I know most cabs cannot keep up with the Berg 4 ohm 4x10 whump….Im prepared to accept that. What I really want is a pretty loud, small, well constructed and light cab. What I really need is to see the Berg 4x10s next to a normal sized 4x10! Then it would make up my mind. I think I might check out Finbar’s band this weekend in Grimsby….he has two Schro 1212L’s! I will have a listen, see what they sound like, get his opinion etc etc. I then have options of possible going down the Tecamp S212 route. They are smallish and VERY light cabs. They look very well constructed, and the price isn’t too excessive. I almost talked myself into getting more Aguilar gear. 2 x DB112….but…I have a lot of Aguilar stuff already. They are very well priced. The Bergantino cabs have always been something I have wanted. For a long time! I have decided the NV series is too much for me. I already have big cabs…and I am happy with them. I would like a Berg to either be modular, or be small/small-medium and be a one cab solution.

Whats the Tecamp gear like?!

I'd love to know more about Tecamp gear. What are they like?! Do they have good resale? Is Tech Soundsystems now Tecamp?

Problem is, Schroeder 1212L's seems almost perfect for the price and size, but im worried about the finish on it (heard some come out not square, bad speakon connectors etc etc). I dont want to take the plunge and think 'it should have been Berg'.

Paul Turner uses Aguilar amps/cabs apparently. Ive heard he has a fairly small rig, as Jamiroquai doesnt like too much stage volume. Quite a good idea really. I wish I could tell my guitarists that.

Not that its a big deal nowadays, (apart from the fact Ampeg got stones thrown at them over in the USA) but where are Epifani Series 2 cabs made?

Aggie cabs are great. I have just realised this!

Good points! Im hoping I have most the money 6 months before I want it...so a year and a half, just under. Its that...or a top notch Sadowsky. No more basses until then! Unless I find another great 5-er to keep me going.

Yes....the are fantastic basses. I had a good chat with Darren at the Bass Merchant, and I emailed Jimmy @ Coppolo. They both said to just take my time, have a god think, ask questions, try one out where poss. Im planning on making it a 30th birthday type purchase...which is still nearly two years away, so maybe thats too long!

I have my heart set on a Coppolo now. its going to be a long way off...but wow. Has to be J Bass style, 5 strings, with plate, 70s pickup spacing, maple neck, block inlays.

[quote name='flippyfloop' post='534738' date='Jul 7 2009, 02:58 PM']I've been doing a lot of research on this. I do a lot of local gigs and get to them on the bus. I had a Markbass CMD 121P which was great but the speaker really let it down IMO. If you A/B it with the internal speaker and then an external, the difference is astounding ! I had an EBS HD350 and two Neo cabs which rarely left my home so I decided to sell this rig and get something lightweight with a great sound. I settled on the Markbass F500 head. I'm still trying cabs but so far I've tried EBS, Schroeder 15+L, Markbass ' yuk ' & Epifani UL112. The Epifani blew everything away by miles. Super tight low end, clear mids and classy highs. All frequencies are clear and level and it only weighs 30Lbs ! Alex from the Gallery also highly recommends the Markbass/Epifani setup. I haven't tried the Compact yet and The Berg's are a little to expensive for me at the moment although I hear great things about them. So basically, check out the Epifani cabs would be my recommendation.[/quote] Yeah, Epifani have been an option for quite a while. Ive never had chance to play through one yet which is a shame.

[quote name='51m0n' post='534664' date='Jul 7 2009, 01:48 PM']Now that was cruel [/quote] HA. I know I still want Geoffs HS410.

Just how 'small' is the AE410? It is indeed cheaper than 2 x AE112s! I dont want the bulk...thats what I want to stay away from.

Ive been looking at Berg AE series cabs for about a year. I'd love a 410 like yours Simon, but I'd love something modular. The AE series seem to be amazing. Again, ive got a lot more testing to do. 12s just work for me....although thats probably all just a notion thats in my head.

I was all set for a Schroeder. As you mentioned, Jorg seems to be getting some flack on recent quality issues. That worries me, being all the way here in the UK. I know they are non-mass produced, to an extent, but I still expect the cabs to be 100% correct. I know he makes some great cabs, but Ive heard quite a few problems with cabs not being straight, poor inputs for the cables, etc etc.

Ive been doing a lot of research, testing thing out, etc etc. As much as a lightweight 4x10 is only 65 lbs, thats still not THAT light, and its fairly 'big' for a cab, (although im aware the Berg is pretty compact) So....my mission is to find the ultimate small, lightweight, and amazingly nice sounding cab setup. I have the big loud rock cabs. Yes, one of them at once is enough for small gigs, but as Im getting into styles that arent so heavy, or loud, Id like something quite compact. I will be using a LM3 mainly....keeping it all small and light. My options are: Schroeder 1212L / BMF Bareface Compact Mark Bass (the smaller cabs) Or....go ultra awesome and get two Bergantino AE112s. One at a time. I have been converted into a lover of all things 12. Yes, I know the whole concept of a 12s sound is not so concrete now, but, I just like them. If anyone has any other ideas, like Epifani, etc, let me know. I've got a some saving to do now though, as my car bills were quite high. Plus im buying a small caddy type van soon once this one sells, to help with moving gear. Any ideas are welcome. Im aware this topic has be done to death. My tonal quest in my head keeps saying 'go Berg, and it'll be awesome'.

I nearly went with genz but the LM3 bottom end warmth swung it for me. I was also shocked at the size of the Shuttle Max amps....lightweight, but NOT small. Looks like a good bit of kit though.

Im going to add my experience of 'weight' recently to this. Even 60lbs is still a bugger to lift. My Orange OBC115 is a tad over 60lbs, and still need a good lift. Its not massively heavy, just not easy! So...even though some cabs state 'lightweight' at 60-70lbs, it is lighter than old school weight, but still not hugely helpful! Something compact make a hell of a difference, with casters. I lifted a 70lbs cab this weekend, and yes its still lighter than say an Ampeg 410E by 25 lbs, its still not practical until you have casters or small size to get your arms round it better. Once I put my casters on my Aguilar DB212s, (they come with them and can be taken out really easily) it made a world of difference.

I want one of these. I have decided that I have 1 and 3/4 years left until I am 30, so I am saving as of now for either a Coppolo or a Sadowsky.

I think id be deciding for far too long. My problem, well actually, my preference, is simplicity. I like classic, well constructed, average weight, nice vintage body style, 4 or 5 string bass guitars. Basically the rest of the extras, the crazy hardware, the ultra tiny slim neck and body, even some active basses (not all) seems to detract from what I always wanted. Thats probably because when I was younger, all my bass heroes played Jazz/Precision/Stingray. I WOULD...very much like to get a high end Sadowsky. Now that would probably impress me, a hell of a lot. A bass has to look as cool as hell when you spend a lot on it. Vintage, classic body shapes, are indeed where my bass heart lies. The Shuker basses look cool...I have to admit. Im inbetween on this subject until I get a Sadowsky Or....I try an Alleva Coppolo.

[quote name='Chris2112' post='532168' date='Jul 4 2009, 12:04 AM']Funny though, that they didn't have any trouble shifting records in the past![/quote] No, and thats whats daft about it. They seemed to go much more into bland rock....I saw them on a tiny NME tour and they were awesome. 6 months later or so I saw them at Glasto. But...their initial success was with the whole massive NME surge, and Im guessing they wanted bigger things.

Hot Fuss ranks as one of my favourite albums when I was at University. Awesome bass tone. Basically, every time I hear a Jazz Bass, I love it, no matter what amp. Growl!!!! Finally picking mine up on Sunday. Been a long wait, (not the order....just getting the right one at the right price). I think he works his lines extremely well, lending a lot from 80 electros and a tiny bit of funk. Awesome stuff. I havent heard him with a P.....but I bet its the way the album was produced that made the P muddy. Probably said 'back off on the bass, be more commercial, sell more records'. I was never massively into anything they did post-Hot Fuss.