Doddy Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 So Jeff Beck has got a new rhythm section with Narada Michael Walden on Drums and Rhonda Smith on Bass. Sweet. That should be ace-especially because I think that Rhonda is a far better player than Tal Wilkenfeld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 He got rid of her sharpish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray5 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing the previous line-up if I could have made it to the O2. I do love the Ronnie Scott's dvd, especially with Vinnie C, one of my favourite drummers. Tal must have been with Jeff Beck for 2 or 3 years now anyway. Maybe it was just time to move on(?). Mind you, I know NMW is no slouch on drums either. Rhonda, too, of course. Are Vinnie and Tal (still) an item? Are they off to do other stuff together!? Music-wise, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatboter Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Maybe Wilkenfeld-Colaiuta were not available ? I saw the line-up with Tal and Vinnie last year live over here in Belgium and it was one of the best concerts I have ever seen. I can't imagine that Rhonda or Narada are able to be on the same level but I'm always ready to be convinced. I have seen and heard some stuff from Rhonda and I miss a bit of the harmonic depth Tal already has despite her "young" age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I was gutted Rhonda wasn't with Prince's band at the O2 last year, I'll definitely be checking her out with Jeff, I haven't seen Jeff Beck live for years. By the way, I bought Tal Wilkenfield's album on iTunes, and I'm a bit underwhelmed by yet another Jazz orientated "bass" album, nothing new there at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golchen Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Too bad, I thought that Tal and Vinnie were perfect with Jeff. Mind you, I'm sure the new band will be amazing ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Tal W was in the studio with Vinnie C yesterday and Steve Lukather recording an album apparently. She's not going to need to hunt for work but I don't see whats to get excited about. Rhonda Smith is pretty good though, some of her lines with Prince were amazing funky and she never gets carried away when its her turn for a solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatboter Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I also never understood what the fuzz about Tal was all about (and I didn't like her cd) but when I saw her live with Jeff Beck I was blown away. Her sound, timing and stage presence really knocked me over and I had to admit that I had underestimated her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutToPlayJazz Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Knowing Tal & Vinnie, they'll be onto bigger and better things. It's about time Tal did a second album as well. Maybe that's in the works... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 That's a shame. When I saw the band last year I thought they were great, and Tal was superb. I have Jeff's full Crossroads set on dvd and to be honest it's one of my favourite live bass perfomances for many a year. Tal's phrasing and musicality on that are impeccable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 [quote name='Rayman' post='719794' date='Jan 21 2010, 09:46 AM']I was gutted Rhonda wasn't with Prince's band at the O2 last year, I'll definitely be checking her out with Jeff, I haven't seen Jeff Beck live for years. By the way, I bought Tal Wilkenfield's album on iTunes, and I'm a bit underwhelmed by yet another Jazz orientated "bass" album, nothing new there at all.[/quote] Tal dont do much for me shes very good but there is just no funkiness coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I've got to wait until October to see them in Cardiff. I'm a tiny bit disappointed that I'll not see Tal but hey, I'm sure JB has got a fine band together as ever. I've got the day off after this show and I've booked a hotel so it's apres show vino tinto in Cardiff for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Can anyone point me to any youtube stuff with Jeff Beck on it that they really rate? - I've only heard a very few old things he's done and I never understood why he was so lauded, (and no, I don't mean Hi Ho...) but maybe I didn't hear the "good stuff". Cheers folks, I'm sure you won't let me down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray5 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 [quote name='MoonBassAlpha' post='720667' date='Jan 21 2010, 11:26 PM']Can anyone point me to any youtube stuff with Jeff Beck on it that they really rate? - I've only heard a very few old things he's done and I never understood why he was so lauded, (and no, I don't mean Hi Ho...) but maybe I didn't hear the "good stuff". Cheers folks, I'm sure you won't let me down![/quote] Got your ears on then...? So much to choose -- (not just the stuff at Ronnie's) -- so little room! [b]"Nadia" / "Space Boogie"[/b] [b]"Angel (Footsteps)"[/b] [b]"A Day In The Life"[/b] [b]"Cause We've Ended As Lovers"[/b] [b]"Where Were You"[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennysFord Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Judging from these video's here I can't see how anyone can criticise TW's playing one bit,to my ears it's sublime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 [quote name='kennyrodg' post='720781' date='Jan 22 2010, 08:27 AM']Judging from these video's here I can't see how anyone can criticise TW's playing one bit,to my ears it's sublime.[/quote] Totally agree. No funkiness, Mr YouMa? Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Tal? Rhonda? Nah. I'd rather see him back and partnered up with Ron 'Evil Goblin King' Wood. Edited January 22, 2010 by skankdelvar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 [quote name='YouMa' post='720102' date='Jan 21 2010, 01:42 PM']Tal dont do much for me shes very good but there is just no funkiness coming out.[/quote] Each to their own. I can't bear Marcus Miller so it's all a matter of personal taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 I was actually really disappointed in the 'Live at Ronnie Scotts' DVD. It didn't live up to my expectations-even Vinnie's playing didn't excite me like it usually does. As far a Tal's playing goes,I've never been a massive fan to be honest. I really enjoyed her solo album,but that's about it. Her solo in 'Cause we've ended as Lovers' does nothing for me-I think she really overused the vibrato. I think that Rhonda Smith is a better player and grooves harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huw Foster Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Doddy' post='721260' date='Jan 22 2010, 02:55 PM']I was actually really disappointed in the 'Live at Ronnie Scotts' DVD. It didn't live up to my expectations-even Vinnie's playing didn't excite me like it usually does. As far a Tal's playing goes,I've never been a massive fan to be honest. I really enjoyed her solo album,but that's about it. Her solo in 'Cause we've ended as Lovers' does nothing for me-I think she really overused the vibrato. I think that Rhonda Smith is a better player and grooves harder.[/quote] Point noted on the vibrato in that solo, but what everyone is forgetting to mention is how young Tal is. She's what - 23, maybe 24? Don't get me wrong, I love Rhonda's playing - she's got amazing groove, and there's no doubt this new line-up will be ace. However, no matter what you think of Tal's overall feel, groove, sound etc, you've got to remember that she's not even in her mid-20s, yet she's already played with a considerable amount of legendary musicians. She comes across as totally fearless, and I think that has a lot to do with her appeal (other than the obvious 'assets'*). Sorry for revisiting what is probably a tired argument on this forum, but I just felt it needed to be mentioned in this particular thread. [size=1]*Heeeeheeee look at the way her boob pops over the top of the bass![/size] Edited January 22, 2010 by Huwberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 I don't see the age thing as mattering to be honest. I don't care how old anyone is-in this case it's all about the playing,and she doesn't really do it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Doddy' post='721260' date='Jan 22 2010, 02:55 PM']I was actually really disappointed in the 'Live at Ronnie Scotts' DVD. It didn't live up to my expectations-even Vinnie's playing didn't excite me like it usually does. As far a Tal's playing goes,I've never been a massive fan to be honest. I really enjoyed her solo album,but that's about it. Her solo in 'Cause we've ended as Lovers' does nothing for me-I think she really overused the vibrato. I think that Rhonda Smith is a better player and grooves harder.[/quote] Her playing on the (not commercially available ) Crossroads dvd I have is far superior to her playing on the Ronnie Scotts dvd ( a much better mix helps too). As for Rhonda being a better player, I'm not sure there's any such thing at this level. There are only players you prefer. In addition, you can only judge a player by the setting they're in and the musicians they're playing with, which makes it doubly difficult, as different players will thrive in different arenas. Would Jeff Berlin be better than Cliff Williams in AC/DC? I sincerely doubt it. As for the vibrato comment, again, simply a matter of taste. I really can't stand all this "player A is better than player B" nonsense, it serves no purpose whatsoever. Edited January 22, 2010 by 4000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB26354 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 [quote name='Huwberry' post='721311' date='Jan 22 2010, 03:34 PM']Point noted on the vibrato in that solo, but what everyone is forgetting to mention is how young Tal is. She's what - 23, maybe 24?[/quote] Although his name seems to be mud around here, Jaco recorded Bright Size Life when he was 24, His solo album at 25 and Heavy Weather at 27. Anthony Jackson recorded For The Love Of Money when he was 20. Jeff Berlin's best work was in his early to mid-20's. Age has got nothing to do with it really. Great players are exceptional from a very young age. She [i]appears[/i] to have it all, but I have this nagging sensation when I hear her play that I'm listening to someone else but can't quite work out who. I hear her playing very well in time but something is missing, perhaps it is feel. This is odd as I have quite strong views on just about every other musician I've heard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray5 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 [quote name='4000' post='721518' date='Jan 22 2010, 06:45 PM']Her playing on the (not commercially available ) Crossroads dvd I have is far superior to her playing on the Ronnie Scotts dvd ( a much better mix helps too). As for Rhonda being a better player, I'm not sure there's any such thing at this level. There are only players you prefer. In addition, you can only judge a player by the setting they're in and the musicians they're playing with, which makes it doubly difficult, as different players will thrive in different arenas. Would Jeff Berlin be better than Cliff Williams in AC/DC? I sincerely doubt it. As for the vibrato comment, again, simply a matter of taste. I really can't stand all this "player A is better than player B" nonsense, it serves no purpose whatsoever.[/quote] +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 [quote name='4000' post='721518' date='Jan 22 2010, 06:45 PM']Her playing on the (not commercially available ) Crossroads dvd I have is far superior to her playing on the Ronnie Scotts dvd ( a much better mix helps too). As for Rhonda being a better player, I'm not sure there's any such thing at this level. There are only players you prefer. In addition, you can only judge a player by the setting they're in and the musicians they're playing with, which makes it doubly difficult, as different players will thrive in different arenas. Would Jeff Berlin be better than Cliff Williams in AC/DC? I sincerely doubt it. As for the vibrato comment, again, simply a matter of taste. I really can't stand all this "player A is better than player B" nonsense, it serves no purpose whatsoever.[/quote] +2 [quote name='skankdelvar' post='720890' date='Jan 22 2010, 10:10 AM']Tal? Rhonda? Nah. I'd rather see him back and partnered up with Ron 'Evil Goblin King' Wood. [/quote] But if Player B is Ronald David Wood, 62 then Player A and players C-Z are all better than player B! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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