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13 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

Because it's big, heavy, out of date and collection only.

It is big, it is heavy, it is collection only. Out of date - I disagree. These genuinely are excellent amps. Having owned a Mesa Strategy Eight:88, an Ashdown CTM300, a Marshall VBA400, an Orange AD200B, a Trace Elliot V6 and a Laney Nexus Tube, I can confirm that the latter holds up to the best of these valve behemoths. It is an underrated amp. £500 for the full rig is (if you have the spine for it) excellent bang for buck.

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1 hour ago, binky_bass said:

It is big, it is heavy, it is collection only. Out of date - I disagree. These genuinely are excellent amps. Having owned a Mesa Strategy Eight:88, an Ashdown CTM300, a Marshall VBA400, an Orange AD200B, a Trace Elliot V6 and a Laney Nexus Tube, I can confirm that the latter holds up to the best of these valve behemoths. It is an underrated amp. £500 for the full rig is (if you have the spine for it) excellent bang for buck.

 

By out of date I mean big rigs in general. Anyone who is regularly playing venues big enough to warrant having something of this size will almost certainly be using IEMs for monitoring and the FoH feed will at best be taken from the DI out on the head. So that's a huge 8x10 cab doing essentially nothing for the sound but taking up space on stage and in the band transport. Maybe the head would be worth using if it is possible to run it into a power soak with the FoH feed taken at the speaker outputs, but I'm sure there are smaller and lighter devices that will be able to achieve the same sound in a band mix. I just don't see who would realistically want to have one and actually use it nowadays.

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Me 😆

 

I do love a big, full fat, monster of a valve rig... I'm down that way in Jan, have made a bit of low offer which they've accepted on the basis of no one else buying it in the meantime which suits me fine. 

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2 hours ago, BigRedX said:

 

By out of date I mean big rigs in general. Anyone who is regularly playing venues big enough to warrant having something of this size will almost certainly be using IEMs for monitoring and the FoH feed will at best be taken from the DI out on the head. So that's a huge 8x10 cab doing essentially nothing for the sound but taking up space on stage and in the band transport. Maybe the head would be worth using if it is possible to run it into a power soak with the FoH feed taken at the speaker outputs, but I'm sure there are smaller and lighter devices that will be able to achieve the same sound in a band mix. I just don't see who would realistically want to have one and actually use it nowadays.

I have an Ampeg stack and a wee Markbass cat D CMD212 combo which sounds amazing. I also had a Helix which had an Ampeg SVT and 8x10 cab simulator. I have to say, while you can somewhat replicate the tone of big bass stacks in miniature, you can never really get the feel of them. The way they pulse the air, the harmonics, the bloom and the trouser flapping.  Whether or not you think your tiny amp sounds like a big amp, it kind of does, but really doesn't. It's like looking at a video of an OLED TV though an LED monitor.  For recording or hifi pop, yes I agree a small amp will do. For driving rock, funk, blues and metal it really isn't the same.  Modern live music calculus says that you should mix everything through FOH, but not everyone wants to sound modern.

 

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