Pino Palladino Signature Stingray

[tegs07]

3 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

Yes I've seen this article before in a previous thread. It speaks the truth. Nothing aimed at @Bass Direct but it's capitalism and greed gone crazy. We're essentially talking about two pieces of wood bolted together with a few screws. 

We are not. We are talking about labour costs, energy costs, global supply chains and money supply as well as a whole heap of other complex issues.

Edited Wednesday at 16:49 by tegs07

[NancyJohnson]

Six grand?  Mother of god.  

 

Wouldn't a genuine one from that period cost less?  (Checks Reverb, and yes.)

 

Six grand?  

[Terry M.]

14 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

We are not. We are talking about labour costs, energy costs, global supply chains and money supply as well as a whole heap of other complex issues.

I over-simplified things on purpose as I didn't want to delve too deep. It still amounts to over-priced products which is all my wallet cares about. 

[tegs07]

Just now, Terry M. said:

I over-simplified things on purpose as I didn't want to delve too deep. It still amounts to over-priced products which is all my wallet cares about. 

I agree. It will be interesting to see how consumers react to the rising costs of USA produced instruments. At what price point do people vote with their wallets. My cut off is £1000. Plenty of Mexican made Fenders exceed that now.

[ezbass]

 

[gjones]

At that price they'll be flying off the shelf 😁

[Lozz196]

My thoughts are for one, having watched that clip, what an amazing player he is - no news there of course - but secondly, given his association with the fretless ‘Ray it’s surprising it’s taken this long for a Sig version. 

[Terry M.]

33 minutes ago, ezbass said:

 

Who's the American guy who looks just like Pino and happens to play like him also? 😄

[Lozz196]

4 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

Who's the American guy who looks just like Pino and happens to play like him also? 😄

Could it have been The Don in his Make Pino Great Again disguise?

[Terry M.]

45 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

I agree. It will be interesting to see how consumers react to the rising costs of USA produced instruments. At what price point do people vote with their wallets. My cut off is £1000. Plenty of Mexican made Fenders exceed that now.

In 2016 I paid £1,333 for a Fender American Standard Jazz V. The equivalent now is £2k so in less than 10 years it's jumped not too far off £700. That's quite a bit of change left over from an "equivalent" Sire that's more than capable of doing the same job. Just a thought.

[Kev]

Oh look,  a price argument thread  

 

At the end of the day, we live in a world where Far East built basses can now cost over £2k, so £3.4k for a US bass is, sadly, normal and to be expected.  MM signatures are generally well priced compared to the nearest standard model (Pino is £200 more, less than 10%)

 

Obviously the limited to 10 edition one is a collectors bass so a different kettle of fish.

 

 

[snorkie635]

I wouldn't spend £6000 on a Stingray if they gave me Pino himself as part of the case candy. 😎

Edited Wednesday at 18:32 by snorkie635

[Reggaebass]

I’d pay 6k if it made me play as good as him 😁

[jezzaboy]

It`s rather cheap compared to the Cliff Williams sig from a few years back. Weren`t they £5 grand plus? 

 

I can`t afford it but it`s a lovely looking bit of kit, good on you if you can get a hold of one.

 

[Stub Mandrel]

1 hour ago, Terry M. said:

Who's the American guy who looks just like Pino and happens to play like him also? 😄

 

I can tell you he sounds Cardiff to me and that's a Gren sticker!

[Terry M.]

1 hour ago, Kev said:

Oh look,  a price argument thread  

 

At the end of the day, we live in a world where Far East built basses can now cost over £2k, so £3.4k for a US bass is, sadly, normal and to be expected.  MM signatures are generally well priced compared to the nearest standard model (Pino is £200 more, less than 10%)

We don't have to agree that £3.4k for a US bass is normal. Something isn't normal just because it's become the norm. If consumers boycotted non-essential items like basses we don't actually need it would affect the market a great deal. Luckily for me I play 5s exclusively so even if these were at a price I liked I still wouldn't be interested. 

[tegs07]

18 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

We don't have to agree that £3.4k for a US bass is normal. Something isn't normal just because it's become the norm. If consumers boycotted non-essential items like basses we don't actually need it would affect the market a great deal. Luckily for me I play 5s exclusively so even if these were at a price I liked I still wouldn't be interested. 

I think we can agree that over the last 25 years prices of accommodation, transport, food and energy in western countries in particular have increased. I think we generally agree that people need more money to cover the costs of the increases. If we agree so far then prices of products made have to increase and retailers need to charge more to survive. The issue is if all the other increases are normal but the price of goods increasing isn’t then we have a problem. One that is only going to get worse when high tech manufacturing, the financial sector and services industry is also cheaper in the global south. I guess we either change our definition of normal or move to Brasil, China or Indonesia in search of employment.

 

3.4K is really expensive but it probably is “normal” for a limited edition, USA produced instrument.

Edited Wednesday at 19:39 by tegs07

[snorkie635]

1 minute ago, tegs07 said:

I think we can agree that over the last 25 years prices of accommodation, transport, food and energy in western countries in particular have increased. I think we generally agree that people need more money to cover the costs of the increases. If we agree so far then prices of products made have to increase and retailers need to charge more to survive. The issue is if all the other increases are normal but the price of goods increasing isn’t then we have a problem. One that is only going to get worse when high tech manufacturing, the financial sector and services industry is also cheaper in the global south. I guess we either change our definition of normal or move to Brasil, China or Indonesia in search of employment.

I'll start by moving south to Peebles.

[Kev]

25 minutes ago, Terry M. said:

We don't have to agree that £3.4k for a US bass is normal. Something isn't normal just because it's become the norm. 

I mean, we kinda do?  We can boycott and hope it'll change, but it doesn't stop it being normal.

 

I'm far more bothered about Far Eastern bass prices.  A Dingwall combustion is comfortably over £2k now, which is insane to me. 

[snorkie635]

3 minutes ago, Kev said:

I mean, we kinda do?  We can boycott and hope it'll change, but it doesn't stop it being normal.

 

I'm far more bothered about Far Eastern bass prices.  A Dingwall combustion is comfortably over £2k now, which is insane to me. 

So how much for a Canadian Z3 nowadays? Bracing myself for some eye-watering price. 👀

[Kev]

3 minutes ago, snorkie635 said:

So how much for a Canadian Z3 nowadays? Bracing myself for some eye-watering price. 👀

Obviously varies but around £6k or so?  Expensive, yes.  Increased in line with the Far Eastern basses, not even close.

[GuyR]

6 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Comoare and contrast...

 

 

Is that image taken outside Bass Gallery?

[Terry M.]

26 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

The issue is if all the other increases are normal but the price of goods increasing isn’t then we have a problem. 

This right here. You saved me saying it. Somewhere in the chain there's at least one element that's not normal and driven by sheer profit and greed therefore distorting reality and sadly prices.

[Supernaut]

Poplar? Like on a cheap Harley Benton? 

[Supernaut]

37 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

I think we can agree that over the last 25 years prices of accommodation, transport, food and energy in western countries in particular have increased. I think we generally agree that people need more money to cover the costs of the increases. If we agree so far then prices of products made have to increase and retailers need to charge more to survive. The issue is if all the other increases are normal but the price of goods increasing isn’t then we have a problem. One that is only going to get worse when high tech manufacturing, the financial sector and services industry is also cheaper in the global south. I guess we either change our definition of normal or move to Brasil, China or Indonesia in search of employment.

 

3.4K is really expensive but it probably is “normal” for a limited edition, USA produced instrument.

Do you have to come into every thread and ruin it with financial strategies? Dude, come on.