Danny Sapko discovers… (now including follow up vid that is worse!)

[Wolverinebass]

10 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

I'm not so sure that no-one can play half the stuff in the videos - that's going to depend on whether the people creating the original content were able to play it at the speed at which it was shown in video, rather than the ability of the content thief to play it.

There is that. I've recorded people in the studio and slowed the song down by 5bpm so they can do it. 

 

I did get clocked for it by one of the other band members once who politely asked "what the hell are you doing Andy?"

 

I politely told him to "shut up" whispering very quietly saying I'd explain afterwards. It was the other guitarists band and he was really, really good. He just couldn't quite play his own solo at the tempo they'd chosen. He would have taken years to get it right in bits as it was at least 45 seconds long and intensely complicated. Sometimes preserving someone's ego in the moment is worth it. 

 

Miming live is fraud to me. There's something that's been lost by all this and that's spontaneity. None of these clowns can play on the hoof. Like listen to a live album and you hear things being slightly messed up. That's gone now. 

 

In one of my own bands, the guitarist becomes intensely irritated by the fact that I freestyle loads of bits of songs. The point was I improvised when I recorded them, so I play them differently every time I play them. Which I feel is being true to myself and what I did on record. People like this Giacomo glock can't do that as everything has to be perfect and they don't have the facility to adjust themselves to anything else. Hence the miming and ludicrous striving for "perfection."

 

Oh, and he ripped folk off too. Classy.

Edited Saturday at 11:29 by Wolverinebass

[Beedster]

11 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

I'm not so sure that no-one can play half the stuff in the videos - that's going to depend on whether the people creating the original content were able to play it at the speed at which it was shown in video, rather than the ability of the content thief to play it.

 

In one of the videos - I forget which one - the host demonstrates that the switch between strings would be all but impossible for a player with only the two hands  

[Hellzero]

3 hours ago, Beedster said:

 

In one of the videos - I forget which one - the host demonstrates that the switch between strings would be all but impossible for a player with only the two hands  

Or, to quote, without freezing the progression chord by chord...

[BabyBlueSound]

On 09/05/2025 at 07:40, Beedster said:

You looking for an argument @BabyBlueSound?  

 

OK for you this thread is about the theft, but for others it's as much about the fakery/pretending part, as are some of the videos posted. It's a discussion forum, people will take that discussion wherever they want to take it, and personally, like @Burns-bass 

 

 

No I'm not, nothing malicious here, let me just clarify my rather mundane points. Just found it weird that we have 6 pages of discussion about the theft and then people just drop the "WeLl mIMinG is NoT iLleGaL!" bomb, yeah yeah we know... 😁

 

Yes, I also agree with the bandwagon opinion, but I don't find it problematic when the bandwagon is actually highlighting something very problematic, that's just my 2 pence I guess. Simply does not bother me as much as industriual scale theft that's now going into gaslighting territory, when Mr Tuah now actually starts to act like everyone else has the problem. I'd rather take a "riding the news" expose from a small Youtuber any day, and then subscribe and like it to give a bit of algorythm chow to these channels.

 

On 09/05/2025 at 07:45, Burns-bass said:

from people who have no idea who I am

 

 

I usually can't do anything about people who get to the "do you know who I am" territory 😁 I just reacted to a single post I did not agree with. I don't think my opinion would have changed if "I knew who you are and what you know" lol. 

I am just a bedroom bassist nobody after all, in case it matters who I am and what do I know 😁 nobody and not too much.

Jokes aside, I am sorry if I came off as condescending, that was not my goal. I do have a tendency of phrasing my stuff in unfortunate manners, but in reality I am less of an arse than I seem.

 

And like @TimR also pointed out, yes it's been understood he's a person, he was reached out to by many musicians (also mentioned in this topic and the linked videos), yet he chose to double down, gaslight, keep selling the stolen stuff, and keep deleting "evidence" from Instagram. 

 

 

So no, I am not looking for an argument, I just have some very strong opinions about disgusting manipulators. I really, really, really f-ing hate gaslighters for personal history reasons  

[Beedster]

31 minutes ago, BabyBlueSound said:

I do have a tendency of phrasing my stuff in unfortunate manners, but in reality I am less of an arse than I seem.

 

 

You and me both mate  

 

31 minutes ago, BabyBlueSound said:

I am not looking for an argument, I just have some very strong opinions about disgusting manipulators. I really, really, really f-ing hate gaslighters for personal history reasons

 

Fair points, perhaps shows how we all tend to pick out of a thread's core topic the elements that are personal to us 👍

[Dad3353]

I've read attempts at explanations, with examples, so it must be me, but I still don't really understand what 'gaslighting' is. One of the (many...) words and phrases in modern parlance that I look up, but fail to assimilate (others would be, for example 'woke', 'ghosting' or 'cheugy'; there are others...). English seems to be becoming a foreign language; maybe I should change my reading material. 

[Dood]

35 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

I've read attempts at explanations, with examples, so it must be me, but I still don't really understand what 'gaslighting' is. One of the (many...) words and phrases in modern parlance that I look up, but fail to assimilate (others would be, for example 'woke', 'ghosting' or 'cheugy'; there are others...). English seems to be becoming a foreign language; maybe I should change my reading material. 

 

It seems I have succumbed to the laziness that A.I models afford the casual user, where asking it to reply for me is preferable over typing on a very small screen whilst I doom scroll my morning away. I’m feeling a lot like those characters in the film UP, strapped to mobility chairs, staring at screens.

 

Anywho, I asked to explain what Gaslighting is, where the phrase came from and some examples of gaslighting in the real world. 

 

All of which I could have typed out myself rather than explaining my laziness… 

 

Quote:

 

## Meaning of Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which one person seeks to make another doubt their own perceptions, memories, or sanity. The gaslighter achieves this by persistently denying facts, twisting reality, or dismissing the victim’s feelings and experiences, often leading the victim to become confused, anxious, and dependent on the abuser’s version of reality[1][14][16].

## Origins of the Term

The term "gaslighting" originates from the 1938 British play *Gas Light* by Patrick Hamilton, later adapted into films in 1940 (UK) and 1944 (US)[1][2][12]. In these stories, a husband manipulates his wife by secretly dimming the gas lights in their home and then denying any change when she notices, insisting she is imagining things. His goal is to make her doubt her sanity so he can control her and steal from her[1][2][14]. The term entered psychological and popular discourse decades later, especially from the mid-2010s onward[1][12].

## Practical Examples of Gaslighting

Gaslighting can occur in various contexts, including romantic relationships, workplaces, friendships, and even politics. Here are some real-world examples:

**1. In Romantic Relationships**
- A partner cheats but insists, “You’re imagining things. I’d never do that,” when confronted with evidence[5][13][15].
- Repeatedly telling someone, “You’re too sensitive” or “You’re overreacting,” to invalidate their feelings[5][11][15].
- Denying abusive events occurred: “That never happened. You’re making it up”[13][15].

**2. At Work**
- A manager claims not to have received a report that was delivered, causing the employee to question their memory[6][13].
- A colleague borrows items and denies it, making you wonder if you misplaced them[6].
- Downplaying your achievements or concerns, e.g., “You’re just stressed. Not everyone can handle new responsibilities,” to undermine confidence[6][13].

**3. In Friendships**
- A friend moves your belongings and then insists you’re forgetful or careless when you notice[9][15].
- They deny saying hurtful things, insisting, “You must have misunderstood me,” even when you recall the conversation clearly[15].

**4. In Politics**
- Politicians denying well-documented events or shifting blame for failures, causing the public to question verified facts[7].
- Spreading misinformation and attacking critics’ credibility to erode public trust in objective reality[7].

**5. Common Tactics**
- Withholding information or pretending not to understand the reason for a conversation to avoid accountability[11].
- Projecting their own negative behaviors onto the victim, such as accusing them of lying or cheating when the gaslighter is actually the one doing so[15].
- Isolating victims from friends or family to increase dependence on the gaslighter’s version of reality[14].

 

[Dad3353]

6 minutes ago, Dood said:

...## Origins of the Term ...

 

Thanks, especially for this^^, which brings sense to the use of the term. 

Do all that use the term know and understand from where it derives..? 

Edited 18 hours ago by Dad3353

[Dood]

Just now, Dad3353 said:

 

Thanks, especially for this^^, which brings sense to the use of the term. 

Although in my ramblings, I’m mistaken i was referring to Wall-E not Up 😂

 

Those who have been at the receiving end of a narcissist relationship (work/personal or otherwise) will know these tactics all too well and, once you’ve experienced it, for the worse, it will certainly incite a mental health trigger response. 
The trick after the fact is to use it to your advantage as the internal BS meter goes Chernobyl when you smell it. 

[Dood]

4 minutes ago, Dood said:

Although in my ramblings, I’m mistaken i was referring to Wall-E not Up 😂

 

Those who have been at the receiving end of a narcissist relationship (work/personal or otherwise) will know these tactics all too well and, once you’ve experienced it, for the worse, it will certainly incite a mental health trigger response. 
The trick after the fact is to use it to your advantage as the internal BS meter goes Chernobyl when you smell it. 

The “In Politics” and “Common Tactics” are very good examples of tactics used in ‘coercive control’ too, as does, for example, withholding rightful funds to pay for basic needs items etc etc 

[Dood]

On 09/05/2025 at 09:57, Cato said:

One of the many quirks of the human brain is that the emotion of moral outrage stimulates dopamine production, which , in very basic terms, rewards the person experiencing that emotion by making them feel nice, even at the same time that they are angry.

 

The tabloids cottoned on to this many years ago and social media is equally  aware. Stoking outrage is a proven way to generate interest from people who at some level know it's going to give them that dopamine hit.

 

Of course it's also absolutely natural to feel those emotions when somebody clearly trangresses the normal moral and ethical boundaries, but whenever you get a huge mass public outpouring of outrage it's always worth considering whether the original transgression really warrants that extensive reaction (of course, sometimes as in the case of say, terrorist attrocities it clearly does)  or whether , essentially, people are just enjoying the dopmine high at this point.

 

And whether those continuing to stoke said outrage, in this case more than a month after the transgressions came to light, really care, or are they just cynically jumping on the bandwagon for guaranteed clicks and likes and, in some cases, financial rewards.

Back on topic, but firmly in the psychology frame of mind still, yes what a brilliant post. Good quality, informative, helpful and honest YouTube content doesn’t reach anywhere near as much as controversy, click-bait, desperate validation and the look-at-me folk’s uploads.

 

What is depressing is the amount of people who are sucked in* by this fakery. Isn’t it obvious when guitarists aren’t playing, when A.I text has been used in a review? I find it extraordinary that whilst A.I for example is still improving, folk can’t tell the picture of the girl they are ogling over with thousands of heart-likes  isn’t real.

*or willing to accept it and not call it out maybe?

{edit} Whilst on the subject of depressing, and I’m on a roll.. 

YouTube OF-bait dressed up as quality content gets way more traction than those putting in hours of work and effort to produce actual, well thought out and produced content.

It pays to lie about your intentions, to fake and put aside integrity for likes 🤑💰.
 

Edited 18 hours ago by Dood

[Killerfridge]

3 hours ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Thanks, especially for this^^, which brings sense to the use of the term. 

Do all that use the term know and understand from where it derives..? 

I'm going to play the "I knew what it meant and where it came from before it was cool card", but only because I found myself doing research to understand what the Steely Dan son "Gaslighting Abbie" was about, many a year a go

[fretmeister]

On 09/05/2025 at 08:04, Burns-bass said:

This kid has made a mistake.

 

I wonder if any one of these guys has reached out to him and asked if he’s ok?

 

He’s a real person. A flawed one for sure and one who’s probably very ashamed at what he’s done. But he’s in a vulnerable spot.

 

Maybe that’ll be the next video, eh?

 

He started to get called out 5 years ago. He promised he would stop.

 

He didn't.

[fretmeister]

On 09/05/2025 at 07:42, Burns-bass said:

*Sigh*
 

I’ve read all the replies.

 

This isn’t about that it’s about chasing clicks. It’d bandwagon jumping from content creators who are, ironically, using the downfall of this guy to build their own channels.

 

 

 

 

I kind of get that - but at the same time, youtube etc is no different to other sources of news and opinion pieces about news.

 

Everything from newspapers to TV news to IG, to radio stations to everything needs readers / viewers / listeners to survive. Whoever gets the scoop wins. Then everyone else follows it because of the audiences desire to know more and to hear different opinions on it.

 

The smaller youtube channels are no different to the local newspaper level in comparison to the nationals.

 

Whether the Over-50s like myself think it a bit odd is irrelevant - news is a highly perishable product and social media now spreads it far quicker than any traditional medium. A side effect of that spread is to make the interest in that specific story run out far more quickly.

 

Most of them have already moved on to other examples of music based fakery and outright theft.

 

Then there are those who weren't going to do anything at all - like Beato. He said he did the vid because he got so many requests.

Like any good businessman - he gave the public what they wanted. That increased his views and subs numbers. If he hadn't done it, then he would not have been a good businessman.

 

I don't see any problem with the smaller ones doing exactly the same. I don't think it is "bandwagon jumping" any more or at least any differently than BBC and ITV News covering the same thing, and then Channel 4 doing a documentary about it later, and then Channel 5 mentioning it as a throwaway line in a drama etc etc.

 

Personally I'm quite pleased about the entire thing - people Turra ripped off have been trying to get him to stop for 5 years without success.

Now he's far less likely to get away with it again.

 

I'm not good enough to play for a living and neither is Giacomo Turra - but he stole from people who are. I'm glad he got caught and I'm glad that loads of people know about it.

[TimR]

A lie will get halfway round the world before the truth has its boots on. 

 

It's a shame that the flat eather, anti-vaxers, and other various conspiracy theorists don't get as much stick. But there's not a lot of money in that compared to what the grifters can make selling dodgy apps and snake oil. 

[Woodinblack]

5 hours ago, Dad3353 said:

Do all that use the term know and understand from where it derives..? 

 

Well, I do as if I find a term that I don't understand I use the internet to find out what it means. 

[Dad3353]

12 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

Well, I do as if I find a term that I don't understand I use the internet to find out what it means. 

 

I tried that, but got flooded with quotes for outdoor lampposts ...

 

[Woodinblack]

1 hour ago, Dad3353 said:

 

I tried that, but got flooded with quotes for outdoor lampposts ...

 

I guess you use a different method than me then, I just typed 'what is gaslighting' in google, the AI thing at the top described it, the top link was wikipedia that covered both lighting with  gas and the gaslighting in question, the second was the national domestic violence hotline, the third another medical thing and the following 10 links were about gaslighting as an abuse. Maybe time to update your search method?

 

I suppose we all have different levels of curiosity, but I do find it odd that someone would find a term they didn't understand and then not look it up using the vast and almost instantaneous access to information that no previous generation has had such easy access to.

[Dad3353]

1 minute ago, Woodinblack said:

 

I guess you use a different method than me then, I just typed 'what is gaslighting' in google, the AI thing at the top described it, the top link was wikipedia that covered both lighting with  gas and the gaslighting in question, the second was the national domestic violence hotline, the third another medical thing and the following 10 links were about gaslighting as an abuse. Maybe time to update your search method?

 

I suppose we all have different levels of curiosity, but I do find it odd that someone would find a term they didn't understand and then not look it up using the vast and almost instantaneous access to information that no previous generation has had such easy access to.

 

Maybe I should have typed 'gaslighting', and not 'Gas Lighting'..? 

[Woodinblack]

Just now, Dad3353 said:

Maybe I should have typed 'gaslighting', and not 'Gas Lighting'..? 

 

Seems to come back the same for me in both spellings. Obviously our google search is tailored by our previous searches, maybe you were installing outdoor lighting?

 

[fretmeister]

4 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

Seems to come back the same for me in both spellings. Obviously our google search is tailored by our previous searches, maybe you were installing outdoor lighting?

 

 

 

I think we can be thankful he hasn't been lighting his farts.

[tauzero]

9 hours ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Thanks, especially for this^^, which brings sense to the use of the term. 

Do all that use the term know and understand from where it derives..? 

 

Is that obligatory?

[Killerfridge]

8 minutes ago, tauzero said:

 

Is that obligatory?

I don't think so, but I think it's quite an interesting etymology of a very commonly used term

Edited 9 hours ago by Killerfridge

[kwmlondon]

Hang on. Not this then? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_by_Gaslight_(film)

[Stub Mandrel]

3 hours ago, fretmeister said:

 

 

I think we can be thankful he hasn't been lighting his farts.

 

What makes you think he hasn't?