Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) For some reason bass lines seems to come over better on Radio 6, almost like the whole station in better EQ'd than the rest? Anyway, until this morning i'd never picked up what an extraordinary bit of playing this is Edited March 23, 2023 by Beedster 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Agree about 6 Music eq (especially in the car) but astonished that you didn't know this fabulous Tommy Cogbill bass line. The story of the recording of the album is a great read. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mykesbass said: Agree about 6 Music eq (especially in the car) but astonished that you didn't know this fabulous Tommy Cogbill bass line. The story of the recording of the album is a great read. 100% with you, it shows that when I was growing up and listening to radio and must have heard this song literally hundreds of times, bass was not in the mix. OK, a counter to that could be that my ears weren't attuned, but I always had a bass brain, one of my earliest musical memories for example was hearing The Night by Franky Valli and the Four Seasons and knowing that bass was where is was at, but the bass part in the latter track is very up front and centre, whereas in the track about, despite the musicality (or perhaps because of it), it's a far less obvious line, especially if not helped by EQ at the station and poor quality speakers in my childhood bedroom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Beedster said: 100% with you, it shows that when I was growing up and listening to radio and must have heard this song literally hundreds of times, bass was not in the mix. OK, a counter to that could be that my ears weren't attuned, but I always had a bass brain, one of my earliest musical memories for example was hearing The Night by Franky Valli and the Four Seasons and knowing that bass was where is was at, but the bass part in the latter track is very up front and centre, whereas in the track about, despite the musicality (or perhaps because of it), it's a far less obvious line, especially if not helped by EQ at the station and poor quality speakers in my childhood bedroom And why not...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Beedster said: 100% with you, it shows that when I was growing up and listening to radio and must have heard this song literally hundreds of times, bass was not in the mix. OK, a counter to that could be that my ears weren't attuned, but I always had a bass brain, one of my earliest musical memories for example was hearing The Night by Franky Valli and the Four Seasons and knowing that bass was where is was at, but the bass part in the latter track is very up front and centre, whereas in the track about, despite the musicality (or perhaps because of it), it's a far less obvious line, especially if not helped by EQ at the station and poor quality speakers in my childhood bedroom I remember when Under Pressure came out - 15 seconds of dead air from our radio of that time! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mykesbass said: I remember when Under Pressure came out - 15 seconds of dead air from our radio of that time! But that’s the truth, bass didn’t exist on radio, it was all upper mids, and not in a nice way, sure it’s part if the reason the Ric clank emerged in the 70s, only bass tone that came through 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeEvans Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 If you properly listen to the bass lines on some of the Bob Marley and the Wailers tunes, there's some amazing stuff going on there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, JoeEvans said: If you properly listen to the bass lines on some of the Bob Marley and the Wailers tunes, there's some amazing stuff going on there. One of the defining bass moments of my childhood 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 This is indeed an excellent bass line, totally buried in the mix, which is really too bad as it's very Motown in every detail. It should have been better mixed, the way they were doing it at Motown, but British ears at the time were not accustomed to this kind of vibe, and so was the B team at Atlantic records, even if it's been recorded in Memphis by some of the Aretha Franklin's usual suspects... Here it is, if you want to learn it. 😉 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hellzero said: This is indeed an excellent bass line, totally buried in the mix, which is really too bad as it's very Motown in every detail. It should have been better mixed, the way they were doing it at Motown, but British ears at the time were not accustomed to this kind of vibe, and so was the B team at Atlantic records, even if it's been recorded in Memphis by some of the Aretha Franklin's usual suspects... Here it is, if you want to learn it. 😉 Thanks for posting @Hellzero, that's a few months of my life gonna go to learning that part, and I'm pretty sure getting the right notes in the right order is only a very small part of it 👍 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Tommy Cogbill is my all time favourite, lays it down and keeps it simple sometimes when needed and is brave and bold at times(he was a jazz guitar player too), like the outro of preacher man when he starts a bar with 6565 etc Check these out , pick solo on moving on is outrageous and gentle on my mind is a melodic masterpiece IMO Edited March 23, 2023 by spencer.b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Son Of A Preacher Man is one of my favourite lines - everything about it is quality. In terms of bass lines that hide away unnoticed in songs we’ve heard a thousand times, have a listen to the verse parts in Layla next time it’s on the radio … 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Heard the song a thousand times but never really heard the bassline? Absolutely, I own several Metallica albums. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) On the older stuff when records were pressed, if the bass wasn't compressed/lessened it could make the needle jump/skate. ....so I was told by an older gentleman with round wire framed glasses, lab coat and plummy voice whom looked like Dr Steele in The Young Doctors.....tapes wouldn't suffer like this. Edited March 23, 2023 by iconic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casapete Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Old Man Riva said: Son Of A Preacher Man is one of my favourite lines - everything about it is quality. In terms of bass lines that hide away unnoticed in songs we’ve heard a thousand times, have a listen to the verse parts in Layla next time it’s on the radio … Carl Radle was a wonderful player IMHO. There are some great bass moments throughout the ‘ Layla and other assorted love songs’ album. Fortunate enough to see him with EC in the mid 70’s, one of the first people I recall seeing using a Stingray which sounded ace. All the band were using MM amps too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasman Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I hear the bass line a thousand times but never really listen to the song... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gasman said: I hear the bass line a thousand times but never really listen to the song... Nicely put 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Gasman said: I hear the bass line a thousand times but never really listen to the song... Spot on, it's almost like low frequency selective hearing😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 "I'm a believer" by the Monkees has a cracking bass line by Carol Kaye. Or at least I thought it was, but someone says otherwise in the comments under this transcription. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 24, 2023 Author Share Posted March 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, tauzero said: "I'm a believer" by the Monkees has a cracking bass line by Carol Kaye. Or at least I thought it was, but someone says otherwise in the comments under this transcription. Just makes you smile does that, one of those basslines that looks SOOOOOOO easy but the timing on the track is impeccable 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted May 7, 2023 Author Share Posted May 7, 2023 On 23/03/2023 at 06:44, Beedster said: For some reason bass lines seems to come over better on Radio 6, almost like the whole station in better EQ'd than the rest? Anyway, until this morning i'd never picked up what an extraordinary bit of playing this is And courtesy Radio 6 I was introduced to this version this morning, and once again, the bass came across beautifully 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrane Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) On 24/03/2023 at 13:05, tauzero said: "I'm a believer" by the Monkees has a cracking bass line by Carol Kaye. Or at least I thought it was, but someone says otherwise in the comments under this transcription. Actually, that comment was mine. 😊 Edited May 7, 2023 by MrCrane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrCrane said: You mean it wasn't Peter Tork? 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 All I can hear with the first song is this. 😶🌫️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkie635 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Waddo Soqable said: You mean it wasn't Peter Tork? 😁 That would be a bit of a wrench would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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