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Been listening to the bass line on Sympathy for the Devil (Stones) and it completely reminded me of a track we used to play by Bon Jovi...well turns out that I was closer to the truth than I had realised! 

What else have you guys come across where 'new original' songs have paid tribute to, been based on or simply ripped off another? And which did you prefer?

 

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I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? 

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Any "sampled" songs?

Many follow-ups to a debut hit? (Eg Searchers, Sugar and Spice following Sweets for my Sweet)

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For me, it’s not what you do, its the way that you do it (no, not the song 🙄). Certainly in the case of the Led Zeppelin catalogue.

Bon Jovi are always throwing covers in the middle of their songs. I believe they also use Twist & Shout, but the song they use it in isn’t a rip off.

I can hear what you mean about SWTD, but Keep The Faith is a bit more of a demanding riff.

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"Another one bites the dust" resembles a lot "Good Times" by Chic although it's not plain plagiarism

 

2 hours ago, Baxlin said:

Many follow-ups to a debut hit? 

Now that is miserable 

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8 hours ago, Bilbo said:

I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? 

Maybe, but the Courts have often taken a less benign (more realistic?) view! I guess most recently with Blurred Lines to the tune of $5.3M. Interestingly for me, as with the Bon Jovi / Stones, it was an iconic bass line that went to the heart of it.

Bass-players - we matter! :) 

 

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Here we go. The Marvin Gaye discography is the root of all music written since. Bores the crap out of me. The family could have done so well for themselves if they’d thought to use it in the way RT did. Easier to sit back and sue anyone who comes close to it I guess.

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Well clearly their suit was entirely without merit and they were awarded $5.3M because someone was having a bad day. 

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a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. 

I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

Well clearly their suit was entirely without merit and they were awarded $5.3M because someone was having a bad day. 

Indeed.  I love Pharrell/The Neptunes, but as soon as I heard that rhythmn I assumed he'd sampled the Marvin Gaye track. 

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

Well clearly their suit was entirely without merit and they were awarded $5.3M because someone was having a bad day. 

I didn’t say it wasn’t without some merit. It’s just that the topic been done to death here.

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10 hours ago, Bilbo said:

I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? 

I'm sure I've found a few extra notes when I play upright bass, I just need the rest of the band to follow suit! 

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1 hour ago, PaulWarning said:

a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. 

I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though

Yes, he owned up to 'Start' being lifted from Taxman but not sure if he ever acknowledged 'Changing Man' being a rip of 10538 Overture.

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Just now, KevB said:

Yes, he owned up to 'Start' being lifted from Taxman but not sure if he ever acknowledged 'Changing Man' being a rip of 10538 Overture.

he didn't have to, it's so bloody obvious :lol:

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2 hours ago, PaulWarning said:

a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. 

I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though

I am not a fan of Led Zep (mainly because of Plant's vocals and Page's lead work - his rhythm playing is sublime though), so other that a rarely-listened-to greatest hits album I have no real knowledge of their work. I have seen it mentioned that they ripped of work, and though I have no reason to doubt it, I don't know what they ripped off. Can someone post a list of a few songs they ripped off, and where from please?

On your second para, I am remined of a story about Paul McCartney when he was writing "Yesterday". Apparantly he woke up one morning with the entire song in his head but wanted to make sure he hadn't ripped it off from someone, so he was playing it to people for weeks replacing thelyrics with "scrambled eggs" , asking "have you heard this before", before Lennon told his to stop being stupid and get it written up and published.

Must be nice to have that kind of talent, where you can write something like "Yesterday" in your sleep!

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2 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said:

I'm sure I've found a few extra notes when I play upright bass, I just need the rest of the band to follow suit! 

I found those ages ago.  I want royalties......

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1 hour ago, Deanol said:

I am not a fan of Led Zep (mainly because of Plant's vocals and Page's lead work - his rhythm playing is sublime though), so other that a rarely-listened-to greatest hits album I have no real knowledge of their work. I have seen it mentioned that they ripped of work, and though I have no reason to doubt it, I don't know what they ripped off. Can someone post a list of a few songs they ripped off, and where from please?

On your second para, I am remined of a story about Paul McCartney when he was writing "Yesterday". Apparantly he woke up one morning with the entire song in his head but wanted to make sure he hadn't ripped it off from someone, so he was playing it to people for weeks replacing thelyrics with "scrambled eggs" , asking "have you heard this before", before Lennon told his to stop being stupid and get it written up and published.

Must be nice to have that kind of talent, where you can write something like "Yesterday" in your sleep!

plenty of examples on the internet https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/led-zeppelins-10-boldest-rip-offs-223419/

 

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Unless you've invented more chords, like wot i have done

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1 hour ago, Deanol said:

I am not a fan of Led Zep (mainly because of Plant's vocals and Page's lead work - his rhythm playing is sublime though), so other that a rarely-listened-to greatest hits album I have no real knowledge of their work. I have seen it mentioned that they ripped of work, and though I have no reason to doubt it, I don't know what they ripped off. Can someone post a list of a few songs they ripped off, and where from please?

I am a fan, not an obsessive like some other bands I like, but I do have around 99% of their output. Thing is, I would never describe myself as a fan of Anne Bredon, Jake Holmes, Howlin' Wolf etc etc other than by default. So, I go back to 'it's not what you do, it's the way you do it' and for me Led Zeppelin did what they did uniquely. I'm not talking about the content, just they way they presented it. It's somewhat ironic that when Greta Van Fleet became known, that many derided them from copying LZ's style. Good on them I say.

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Good speech HK

I'm a fan too, and had the luxury of seeing LZ live at Ally Pally in London 1975  just after LZ 5 was released.  Great gig , great memory.

I was too young to know what songs they copied or plagiarised,  but i couldnt give a hoot, even now

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10 minutes ago, fleabag said:

 

I was too young to know what songs they copied or plagiarised,  but i couldnt give a hoot, even now

I guess that is because it is not your royalties that are being taken. 

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You might have guessed right. What i should have done was not gone to see them live, voting with my feet and wallet.

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