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Can’t stop adding this to an online cart and then chickening out...

I really fancy one, just seems a bit frivolous as I’m not playing much. Bloody beautiful thing...

I did own the DeArmond equivalent in sunburst but didn’t really give it a chance. Loved how it looked but was mainly playing a five string Roscoe Beck at the time and just dismissed it as “that bass I don’t play much”.

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I nearly bought the one advertised on here, but logistical differences prevented it. My main, in fact only, reason for wanting one of these is that both Phil Leah and Jack Casady played them back in the 60s, and their basses were the first to modified by the newly-formed Alembic company. Not too sure about playing a 30" scale though...

Only slightly modified...

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These are gorgeous and I'd love one, especially as 30" scale is my preference!  Seem to remember the bass player in Paolo Nutini's band using one to good effect and looking dead cool while he was at it.

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Love the look of them, but like FinnDave, don’t think I could handle 30” scale, and I think they have incredibly skinny necks, perhaps not quite as thin as the Framus Bill Wyman used to play but pretty close!

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30" scales and skinny necks do it for me. Thanks for giving me even more GAS problems!

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It’s a chance encounter with a 1990’s American Made green one years ago which has formed the lustful memories...

these look absolutely stunning.

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3 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said:

That’s cheep!

They do this modern reissue in black too...about a grand

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16 hours ago, Bridgehouse said:

I keep looking at the one at Andy Baxter’s...

http://andybaxterbass.com/details.php?id=1367

That is a later model of Starfire with two pretty overwound humbuckers. Great pickups in their own right (a few are brave enough to peg them ahead of the Hagstrom Bisonics), but it won't sound like the Newark Street reissues.

 

On ‎21‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 21:39, FinnDave said:

I nearly bought the one advertised on here, but logistical differences prevented it. My main, in fact only, reason for wanting one of these is that both Phil Leah and Jack Casady played them back in the 60s, and their basses were the first to modified by the newly-formed Alembic company.

This is a point that needs repeating. Both Phil and Jack were using much modified Starfires. The 'Live/Dead' tone was probably a modified EB-3, rather than a Starfire, even though people cite the latter often.

 

On ‎21‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 20:27, AndyTravis said:

I did own the DeArmond equivalent in sunburst but didn’t really give it a chance. Loved how it looked but was mainly playing a five string Roscoe Beck at the time and just dismissed it as “that bass I don’t play much”.

I have a sunburst DeArmond Starfire! It is really well made. The weak link is the electronics. I'm planning to modify mine with two Guild BS-1 pickups, as used in the Newark Street reissues. I have one pickup already, and the other is shipping its way to me.

The DeArmond basses have neck binding, which the Guilds (original and reissue) don't have. The headstock is also substantially smaller. I like it! For a 30'' instrument it is big, long and unwieldy. 

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27 minutes ago, Meddle said:

This is a point that needs repeating. Both Phil and Jack were using much modified Starfires. The 'Live/Dead' tone was probably a modified EB-3, rather than a Starfire, even though people cite the latter often.

As I understand it, they were both using standard Starfires until Bear got hold of them and got Ron Wickersham to work on the electrics, a partnership that led to the formation of Alembic

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2 hours ago, FinnDave said:

As I understand it, they were both using standard Starfires until Bear got hold of them and got Ron Wickersham to work on the electrics, a partnership that led to the formation of Alembic

Jack had a maroon Starfire, which is in the Woodstock movie, which I think was modified very early on. He used a Jazz bass with a P pickup installed at the end of the neck, which you see in the Monterey Pop movie. The Starfire was modified straight away by anything I can find online. This bass is on some of After Bathing at Baxters. This was stolen, so he acquired a second sunburst Starfire, which was also modified. This one was simply hacked into to install electronics on aluminium plates. It is a lot less gracefully modded than the maroon bass was, and you can see it in the Altamont footage.

Phil Lesh did use a bone stock red Starfire II in late 1967 and 1968, but it then shared stage duties with a modified EB-3, which is apparently the bass on Live/Dead. The Starfire became 'Big Brown' or the 'Godfather' bass, which was massively modified.

 

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31 minutes ago, scrumpymike said:

That Andy Baxter bass sounds sweet!

If you've never been to his shop, it's quite the experience. 

I went down there to try out a couple of basses. What did he plug me in to for amplification? A 1963 B15.... lol

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22 hours ago, Bridgehouse said:

If you've never been to his shop, it's quite the experience. 

I went down there to try out a couple of basses. What did he plug me in to for amplification? A 1963 B15.... lol

B15?  Thought that was a WW2 American bomber!

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1 minute ago, scrumpymike said:

B15?  Thought that was a WW2 American bomber!

Sounded like it (although slightly quieter though)

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On 22/07/2018 at 16:48, AndyTravis said:

It’s a chance encounter with a 1990’s American Made green one years ago which has formed the lustful memories...

these look absolutely stunning.

I have a starfire from the 90s cracking bass mines natural but would love to find another in cherry or just another really. 

I did try a Newark one but the rosewood bridge saddles caused me issues with string loss that I don't get on the 90s one as it is all metal

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I got the Dearmond in red and it's really well built - sturdy compared to other semi's ive had/tried - was wondering about putting darkstars on - but not sure it fits into what my band are doing so may move it on eventually but it is one of most beautiful looking basses ive had - got la bella beatle bass strings on - very macca!

 

 

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