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I have yet to play an 8-string bass that was capable of playing in tune above the 7th fret if it didn't have the ability to intonate each string in the pair separately.

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@Al Krow oh sweet Jesus Bas, all you have done is find out what most people already knew that some manufacturers make a multi string bass, then because you have the horn for a neck through and decided Schecter are an OK brand (in which the QC and innovation is probably more centered in the new range cf the old range) based on someone else’s research (wonder who that was....) you declared the Schecter King and are now getting one, only if I get a 12 string, despite being less than tepid on an 8 string not long ago.

Never professed to be an expert, never make sweeping judgements or comments without due diligence or knowledge, in general of course, I fear the opposite is a nigh on daily occurrence for you.

Bas it’s like being back at school with plasticine and potty time, or fuzzy felt and stickle bricks with you sometimes, I know you used to look at my homework and pretend it’s yours.

Go in Bas, get your nap in before milk and cookies

 

ps love you xxxxx

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3 hours ago, Wolverinebass said:

It was factory strings. If you played 5th fret and below you were laughing. Above the 7th things started to go awry and by the time you reached 12th fret the octave string was almost a half step out.

I'd like to replace the word odd in my previous comment with the word outrageous.

 

1 hour ago, NancyJohnson said:

If manufacturers made self intonating strings, every bridge on any stringed instrument would pretty much become redundant from an adjustment perspective.  There's probably some long and drawn out article online somewhere covering the science behind string gauge, string length, action, tuning and the effects thereon, but just trust us, for a 12 (or 8) stringed bass you really should have a bridge with eight saddles, one for each of the fundamentals, another to carry the octave strings. 

Yes.  That's why I find it hard to understand how an instrument with such a difference in string gauges adjacent to each other would be sold without being independently adjustable for each saddle.  I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised when Leo's bridges were pairing different gauges on the same saddle for years and they're still popular.

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Never played one, no real interest in playing one but as far as intonation goes I’m guessing there is a reason when in the studio many producers like to use a regular 6 string guitar and a Nashville tuned guitar to emulate a 12 string guitar tones. It’s much more stable in terms of pitch/intonation. I could imagine intonation on an 8 or 12 bass could get problematic real quick. 

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4 hours ago, Wolverinebass said:

So, just discounting the octave strings part of the tone then? Clearly, immensely close and dare I say it, no doubt indistinguishable.

"Close" not immensely close. Plus it's IMO.

Blue

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5 hours ago, Al Krow said:

That sounds like a really good option. How much to get the Schaller fitted (I'm guessing £150 parts and labour?); so a decent and nicely set up ESP 8 for £730 or if you're pushing the boat out a bit further a Schecter Stiletto NT for £970; and then there is always the Spector Legend 8 for £600 as a third option... :) 

 

That looks ok too. Does that have 8 saddles? Can't really see from the pictures.

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Agreed. My best guess is that it won't be anything special as a bridge, as this is very much a budget Spector. Edit: but my best guess on this would be wrong (see next comment below). Spector do seem to be pulling up the bottom end of the 8 string price range with aplomb! :) 

Edited by Al Krow

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Just now, Al Krow said:

Agreed. My best guess is that it won't be anything special as a bridge, as this is very much a budget Spector.

The Spector is an 8 saddle bridge as I've played one.

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Pretty sure it has 8 saddles, but I can’t remember if each is adjustable in height or not sorry.

I have a suspicion that the Schecter has poo saddles as well, happy to be wrong

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Just now, Cuzzie said:

There you go, posted at the same time as wolverine, he knows better than i

And better than me too. Which is why I'm going to be making a pilgrimage to SE London... :) 

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the Schecter Session Riot 8 looks like it has a similar bridge to the Spector:

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Edited by bartelby

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17 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

http://www.spectorbass.com/legend8classic

"BRIDGE : Special Two Piece 8st bridge"

It's the same bridge that every  Korean-made 8-string bass with individual saddles sports.

Having owned a Carlo Robelli 8-string bass with that bridge, it does the job in an OK fashion, but the separate tail piece is particularly ugly.

If you want a really good bridge on your 8-string bass you either need a Japanese Tune Bass or something fitted with the 8-string version of the Schaller 3D Bridge.

Edited by BigRedX

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@Al Krow I can predict the future, you’ll go, have the time of your life  and get a blinking 12 string and dUg amp before me.

IF that does happen, i’ll still be your friend, but I may have a little sulk and a pouty bottom lip...😢

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FYI for any of you out there on the 8 String trail that happen to like a Sandberg bass, Sandberg produced about 10 or so, so the unicorns are out there.

I have no further details except the last one left the factory last year to I think an endorsing artist, and that Sandberg produce quality machines.

They have no plans to do any more currently, which is a shame.

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Cataldo basses in the US do 8s and 12s and they have OK reps from what I hear. They do a T bird shape.

Hamer also did their blitz bass as a 12ver, and that is very metal and pretty rare!

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Oh the cataldo thunderbird 12 looks nice. I am thinking not too cheap.

I think I probably will pick up a 12 or even 8 at some point, but it needs to be cheap as I really don't expect that it would be used all the time, although probably ok if it is a project and needs some work.

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