peteb Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1453124413' post='2956536'] no, Sam's in four fighters but started as a dep, I thought he'd got the main gig now but could be wrong [/quote] I think that Ric is still the main guy but I haven't seen him for a while. Ric actually has a regular 9 to 5 (unlike the others) and I know that he does use a dep on a regular basis. I will ask Geoff the next time I see him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 [quote name='MacDaddy' timestamp='1453126618' post='2956568'] Nah, the posts were older and not up to their original standard, seemed to be just going through the motions. At least this thread is younger and the posts seem to mean it more. [/quote]Well obviously you had to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Every year there is one of these near me, its a fundraiser, it sells out and locals walk there with their picnics, friends and family etc, they then enjoy tribute acts and covers bands, dance a little, and enjoy socialising. This year I will refuse to enjoy it and take along milk crate, at some point I will stand on it and shout "Stop this at once, go home, Jellyknee's and other members of an interest based forum think you are uncool, return to your homes and do not ever let unoriginal music pass year ears again." Edited January 18, 2016 by lojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JellyKnees Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) I clearly didn't say that though, did I... But let's not allow the facts to get in the way of rhetoric huh? [quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1452868279' post='2954276'] Covers can be good and entertaining, depending on the band and their approach. [/quote] Edited January 18, 2016 by JellyKnees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1453141937' post='2956808'] I clearly didn't say that though, did I... But let's not allow the facts to get in the way of rhetoric huh? [/quote] Please no, that would be boring You've clearly had a pop at the players and punters , its all on page 1, you cant duck out now Edited January 18, 2016 by lojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JellyKnees Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 [quote name='lojo' timestamp='1453145894' post='2956855'] Please no, that would be boring You've clearly had a pop at the players and punters , its all on page 1, you cant duck out now [/quote] Whatever you say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Not all musicians are song writers. I'm a decent Bass player, but a pretty horrible songwriter. That's why I play other people's material, for the most part. I get a lot of pleasure from playing in covers bands and so do the people who come to see us. Some people play music to express their inner muse. Some people play for the sheer fun of making music. Two sides of the same coin. The whole "Original versus Covers" thing is a devisive, dreary and pointless argument. In my opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lw. Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 After all this tribute talk I was rehearsing in the room next door to a Black Sabbath tribute act (or at least a group of guys just playing Sabbath tracks) last night; they were pretty good really – still not something I would actively leave the house & search out but if it was a nice summers day with a tribute festival happening nearby & I was at a loose end I could see myself sitting in a park with a couple of tins enjoying it for a couple of hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1453196376' post='2957210'] The whole "Original versus Covers" thing is a devisive, dreary and pointless argument [b]that has been thrown back and forth [i]ad nauseum[/i] in the past and really doesn't need revisiting yet again, surely?[/b]. [/quote] Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) [quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1453196376' post='2957210'] The whole "Original versus Covers" thing is a devisive, dreary and pointless argument. In my opinion, of course. [/quote] It is pointless but it really winds me up, there was never any constructive point to this thread, other than for the early contributors to use phrases like "cringe worthy" and "unimaginative", aimed at players and audiences they believe to be beneath them. I find this completely wrong, there are covers players and audiences all over the place who have great time based on this stuff, why take a pop at it. Fair enough if its not your cup of tea, but starting a thread on it I think is really "unimaginative", its been done more times than Mustang Sally , what about all the new bassists that stumble across this forum who are just learning the classic covers as their way into gigging, its not very positive is it ? Edited January 19, 2016 by lojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 A few threads have gone this way recently. Are we really saying that we can no longer have threads about negative opinions? I didn't mind the OP on this thread. It was obviously a little provocative, but he was just frank with his opinion. If I started a thread along the lines "Jazz Fusion- pretentious bollocks" with a similarly frank OP, I think that'd be OK, wouldn't it? We've had it before with "Rap is Crap" etc. Obviously there are styles of music people won't like, and gigs people won't like, and basses people won't like etc. That's not actually a problem is it? Or do we need to wipe any trace of negativity from BC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 There's a big difference between "I dont like that because...." And "That's rubbish". I'm happy to listen to opinions which oppose mine, but when people get a bit snarky, my hackles rise. Especially, when, essentially, we're all on the same side, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Cheddatom, fair comment, I am most likely being over sensitive, and like all of us, have my own musical snobbery areas. I guess there is a thin line between fun banter , and being someone being seriously negative toward things others like in an elitist manor. Add to that its difficult to know the sentiment behind text based comments. Surely the covers / tributes are not real music type viewpoint threads have been over done, happy to see some negative views on things others love, but surely we can come up with a new topic. I guess some originals purists just like to feel superior. Edited January 19, 2016 by lojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I find good tribute bands are good. Sometimes you can`t see the real band as they are either dead, or packed up. When does an original band become a tribute band. Lynyrd Skynyd? I saw the Four Tops a few years ago and there was only one member left. Were they really a tribute band?Are From The Jam a tribute band as it contains Bruce Foxton? Queen without Freddie Mercury? Even if they have all the band in it, without Freddie, is it just a tribute. I think most decent tribute bands have a place. You can pay £15 at the local guildhall, or pay £80 for a crap seat plus travel and added extras for the original.I think it is telling when I pay the same for original bands, as I do for Limehouse Lizzy for example. Which brings me to, were Thin Lizzy only a tribute band after Phil Lynott died? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1453068087' post='2956167'] [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Straw man argument - I didn't say that at all, I'm just questioning the whole validity of the tribute thing. Personally, I'd rather watch 10 original bands, of which only 1 or 2 might be any good, rather than 10 tribute acts who play impeccable versions of whatever band’s songs. I guess it all depends why you go to gigs. If you want to see something safe and predictable you can sing along to whilst basking in the warm nostalgic glow of your youth, go suck those tribute acts up. I just happen to think it’s boring and pointless. I really don’t care how much money they make or how much the x factor loving masses enjoy them or how fantastic the musicians who play in them are. [/font][/quote] It's not an 'either or' scenario though, you can enjoy both if you like. I've seen some dire tributes/covers and equally dire originals ad vice versa. Nowt wrong with enjoying live music in all forms - nostalgic or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earbrass Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='lojo' timestamp='1453208320' post='2957368'] ... in an elitist manor...[/quote] That'd be Earbrass Towers then. We're not really that elitist - I believe one of the footmen went to a "comprehensive" school - imagine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1453209748' post='2957392'] That'd be Earbrass Towers then. We're not really that elitist - I believe one of the footmen went to a "comprehensive" school - imagine! [/quote] That's nothing I had to clean my own moat the other year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1453206085' post='2957340'] I didn't mind the OP on this thread. It was obviously a little provocative, [/quote] Can't have a good discussion without some provocation/diverse views. Apart from me, none of us have an absolute right to be correct at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashell Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='Iain' timestamp='1453209424' post='2957388'] It's not an 'either or' scenario though, you can enjoy both if you like. I've seen some dire tributes/covers and equally dire originals ad vice versa. Nowt wrong with enjoying live music in all forms - nostalgic or otherwise. [/quote] How true! And if you are lucky enough to enjoy both, that doubles your chances of an enjoyable day/night out. Hurrah! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) My guess would be that most people, whose exposure to music is limited to daytime radio, would rather attend a festival where they can sing along to familiar songs than one where the bands playing are unknown to them. It's all about expectations - and a lot of people are conservative (small 'c') in their expectations when it comes to entertainment. Everyone else is free to seek out original music as they wish. The market for summer music festivals has never been healthier in the UK. So clearly, lots of people are doing just that. That's the beauty of it - choice. The covers/tribute/originals scenes aren't mutually exclusive. I personally have no interest in tribute acts - I'd rather just dig out the original recordings and save my gigs for new music. But I certainly don't get irked by people having different preferences to me. No more than I get angry at people choosing ice cream over custard (it should, of course, ALWAYS be custard). Peace, etc. Edited January 19, 2016 by Skol303 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1453241910' post='2957843'] No more than I get angry at people choosing ice cream over custard (it should, of course, ALWAYS be custard). [/quote] Apple Pie and Ice Cream is the greatest dessert detected by science. I respectfully counter your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1453246942' post='2957901'] Apple Pie and Ice Cream is the greatest dessert detected by science. I respectfully counter your statement. [/quote] NOOOO, IT SHOULD [i]ALWAYS[/i] BE CUSTARD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1453282565' post='2957989'] NOOOO, IT SHOULD [i]ALWAYS[/i] BE CUSTARD!!! [/quote] I have to agree... custard always trumps icecream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Nope you're all wrong - it's clotted cream every time...... oo ar oo ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I don't like custard or ice cream..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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