Roland Rock Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 For those who have hitherto been afraid to copy their CDs and DVDs onto their computers/phones/clouds for fear of the police squat team breaking the door down - fear not! From the first of October, this will be legal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 This was illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 ...it was/is illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Damned..! Now I'll have to think of something else to bring down the System. Boil my eggs too hard, maybe..? Return my library books a week later..? Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I think if you paid for it in the first instance, then another copy/copies for your own use is fair game even though that might have been technically illegal. The grey area is when it gets into someone elses hands and potentially stops a sale... Well, not so grey, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1411325877' post='2558473']...and potentially stops a sale... [/quote] ... and potentially [i]makes [/i]several future sales..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1411325844' post='2558472'] Return my library books a week later..? [/quote] Don't go too mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1411325877' post='2558473'] I think if you paid for it in the first instance, then another copy/copies for your own use is fair game even though that might have been technically illegal. The grey area is when it gets into someone elses hands and potentially stops a sale... Well, not so grey, in fact. [/quote] Agreed - it's a technicality being fixed. 'Natural justice' implies that you buy the right to listen to a piece of music. The physical form might be vinyl, tape, CD or bits (er, ok, that's not physical, but you get my drift) but it's really the right to listen to the music that you really want. However, I wonder what the new law says about buying a CD, ripping it to a PC and then selling the CD? That's clearly not right, unless you delete the ripped copy at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Admiral Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) I copy a lot of CDs fron iTunes. I've bought the original, but I don't like taking the original out in the car, so I just rip them - and if they get nicked or trashed (ably assisted by Mrs A not putting them back in the wallets), it doesn't matter. The original, complete with nice booklet, gets stored safely. Edited September 22, 2014 by The Admiral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1411325844' post='2558472'] Return my library books a week later..? [/quote] In Norway, if you want to wreak havoc and bring The System down, you return your library books in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 i think making personal copy has always been legal; i think its distribution, publication, public performance etc thats always been the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Geek99' timestamp='1411381738' post='2558866'] i think making personal copy has always been legal; i think its distribution, publication, public performance etc thats always been the issue. [/quote] Previously, ANY copying of copyright content, even for personal use, without the permission of the rights holders was illegal. The law is being brought up to date (following the publication of the government's 2012 'Modernising Copyright' document) to reflect new technology use. There are a few grumbles about this private copying exception, because, like JTUK says, it is not crystal clear what can and can't be done with the copies, and the copyright bods want to enure that they/the rights holders will not lose out. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/hargreaves-copyright-techreview http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ia-exception-privatecopy.pdf Pedant Edit: document describes it as unlawful, rather than illegal - not sure what the difference is, if any? Edited September 22, 2014 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgie Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 This is something that has made me wonder in the past. I mean, what about disco's or nightclubs etc..or even funfairs play music, or they did back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earbrass Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 [quote name='gadgie' timestamp='1411393302' post='2559026'] I mean, what about disco's or nightclubs etc..or even funfairs play music, or they did back in the day. [/quote] They need a PRS licence to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) - Edited February 28, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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