discreet Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1417781815' post='2623936'] ...not sure it'd be much good, soundwise, compared to a vertical stack. [/quote] Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Just as I suspected, it's a black box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1417781815' post='2623936'] ....not sure it'd be much good, soundwise, compared to a vertical stack.... [/quote] Read the info. These cabs work just as well horizontally as vertically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1417789878' post='2624061'] Read the info. These cabs work just as well horizontally as vertically. [/quote] Yep, unless you wanna be creative or are a big fan of tetris while stacking your cabs the only thing to take in to account is that only the full-range drivers benefit from vertical alignement (hope i got this right, haven't checked the BF info). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1417789878' post='2624061'] Read the info. These cabs work just as well horizontally as vertically. [/quote] I'll have to listen to believe it. I can't imagine getting the same definition onstage from two very low speakers on the ground at knee level, than from a stack that comes at least to chest level, no matter what the blurb says. It just goes contrary to every experience I've had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If I could get a Big Baby 2 with tolex and silver cloth then..............I still wouldn't be able to afford it, but I would be quietly lusting after it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooks79 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) If I had the money I would go for a tolexed Retro six10 to stand next to my Barefaced Vintage Edited December 6, 2014 by Wooks79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) One (just one) of the reasons that I bought Barefaced in the first place was that someone hadn't gobbed carpet or Tolex all over them. Edit - I hate to spoil the party, but I did the badge thing (first) on post 114 - sorry about that....... Edited December 7, 2014 by taunton-hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny_Innie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 So, could I ask a technical question about these cabs? If I add a 12 Ohm version of the Retro Two10 to a Gen 2 Barefaced Compact (8 Ohm of course) - what would the resultant impedance be? I saw on one of those online calculators that it would be 4.6 Ohms. Is that right? Would seem sort of ideal if that's correct? Also, and I have no idea about this ....... each of the cabs have two sockets. Is it a case of plugging the amp into any one of those on one of the cabs and then running a cable from the other socket in that cab to any one of the sockets in the other cab? And if so, is that called running them in parallel? And does it matter which cab goes first? How would I know these things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I get 4.8 Ohms.... and your plugging in assumptions are correct and it is called running in parallel. It doesn't matter which cab comes first. As to how you would know....... I don't know. Decades of playing and 20 years a Physics teacher is a great help to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm not sure I see the benefit of running a Two10 and Compact together. Does this mean you already have the Compact? If you need more volume I'd just get another Compact. Drop Alex an email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny_Innie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1418122115' post='2626986'] ....... I'm not sure I see the benefit of running a Two10 and Compact together..... [/quote] Please explain yourself sir. I have the use of a Compact for now and I can have it if I want it. I said in another post that I like the low down sound, but need a bit more clarity. Adding one of these, and putting it on top, would retain that low down Compact sound, but add more to it - and up at my ear level. I see a lot of people sitting a 4x10 on top of a 1x15 ...... so in my, less volume required scenario, I figured that sitting a 2x10 on top of a 1x15 of the same brand might be a interesing? Edited December 9, 2014 by Jenny_Innie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 As far as I understand, with generation 2 cabs the way to enhance the top end of a Compact was to add a Midget. They were designed to work together, but the gen2 and gen3 aren't designed this way so they might not sound how you would imagine. This combination might sound great but adding an incompatible cab can also take away from your sound. The 410/115 idea was born out of the limitations of cabs that were available in years gone by. I see your logic and it's the logic that has been used by bassists for years, but modern cabs are better designed and you can get more lows and low mids out of a good 410 these days than you could ever get out of an old 115. I'd suggest an email to Alex for some suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418124486' post='2627017'] I have the use of a Compact for now and I can have it if I want it. I said in another post that I like the low down sound, but need a bit more clarity. Adding one of these, and putting it on top, would retain that low down Compact sound, but add more to it - and up at my ear level. I see a lot of people sitting a 4x10 on top of a 1x15 ...... so in my, less volume required scenario, I figured that sitting a 2x10 on top of a 1x15 of the same brand might be a interesing? [/quote] On paper this is a fine idea - especially as you already have access to the Compact. In practice though, the outcome may not be what you expect or yearn for. It is not always predictable! Also, the idea that ten inch speakers deliver more midrange or top end than fifteens or twelves is outdated at best and, in many cases, incorrect. If I was you, I would take chris_b's advice and e-mail Alex Claber at Barefaced. He is very good at giving impartial advice (and not just trying to sell you the most expensive BF cab!). Edited December 9, 2014 by Conan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I would guess that the Big Baby 2 would be the perfect match to the Super Compact but have just been on the site checking dimensions and the BB2 is wider (1cm) and deeper (7cm) than the SC... If only they had made them with the same size... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418124486' post='2627017'] I like the low down sound, but need a bit more clarity. Adding one of these, and putting it on top, would retain that low down Compact sound... [/quote] [quote name='Conan' timestamp='1418125839' post='2627030'] ...the idea that ten inch speakers at more midrange or top end is outdated at best and, in many cases, incorrect. [/quote] Driver circumference and frequency response are independent of each other. [url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/speaker-size-frequency-response.htm"]http://barefacedbass...cy-response.htm[/url] Edited December 9, 2014 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 A comparison from the Barefaced website: [i]Why this rather than the much revered Compact? The treble is brighter and more audible around the room, the midrange has more punch and also has better dispersion, the lows are just as big but better controlled and less boomy. It isn't quite as loud with the volume knob in the same place but it has more power handling so you can turn up more and it'll play pretty much as loud, despite being a lot smaller.[/i] Sounds like the Super Compact is a good one cab solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 [quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418113711' post='2626866'] So, could I ask a technical question about these cabs? If I add a 12 Ohm version of the Retro Two10 to a Gen 2 Barefaced Compact (8 Ohm of course) - what would the resultant impedance be? I saw on one of those online calculators that it would be 4.6 Ohms. Is that right? Would seem sort of ideal if that's correct? [/quote] On paper, your thinking is ok, and the reason why 115 and 210 was a good mix was because the power ratings were around the same at 300w per cab. But..as others have said, this may not work with your models so best to get advice or try them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwan Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1418131463' post='2627134'] On paper, your thinking is ok, and the reason why 115 and 210 was a good mix was because the power ratings were around the same at 300w per cab. But..as others have said, this may not work with your models so best to get advice or try them first. [/quote] What's this!? JTUK in "first non-derogatory post on a Barefaced thread in ages" shocker! Edit to add: ;-) Edited December 9, 2014 by Bigwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monsterthompson Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 [quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418124486' post='2627017'] Please explain yourself sir. I have the use of a Compact for now and I can have it if I want it. I said in another post that I like the low down sound, but need a bit more clarity. Adding one of these, and putting it on top, would retain that low down Compact sound, but add more to it - and up at my ear level. I see a lot of people sitting a 4x10 on top of a 1x15 ...... so in my, less volume required scenario, I figured that sitting a 2x10 on top of a 1x15 of the same brand might be a interesing? [/quote] The voicing on the two cabs (Compact and 210) is meant to be different, not similar. Just because it is the same company, doesn't allow you to jump to the conclusion they will play well together. They might, but it is a gamble. My bet is that an email to Alex will come back with a suggestion to not combine the cabs. Also, a 410 on a 15 is a whole other kind of weirdness. I know lots of people do it, but it is generally a less-than-optimal rig, though it can work (this topic has been beaten up several times). If you have a Compact and like the sound, the best bet would be to add a Midget of the same generation, with a tweeter. The woofers will be similar in voicing (G3 woofers aren't the same as G1 and G2), so you will get more of the sound you like. The Midget will add height to get sound closer to your ears, and it will give you punch and cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monsterthompson Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 [b] [url="http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Retro-Six10.htm"]http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Retro-Six10.htm[/url] Retro10 10CR vs Generation 3 12XN models?[/b] The main difference is in how the drivers perform in their respective enclosures: _____________________12XN550____10CR250 Frequency response____Flat_______Coloured Polar reponse_________Excellent___Excellent Transient response____Excellent_____Good Dynamic response_____Excellent_____Good Resolution_____________High_______Medium The Generation 3 12XN cabs were designed for minimum colouration within their design bandwidth whilst the Retro10 10CR cabs were designed to have a flattering colouration for bass guitar. The other important point to note is that the Retro Six10 has very high sensitivity which makes it ideal for use with lower powered amps, especially valve (tube) amps - and the flattering colouration also extends to making an overdriven amp sound less gnarly (an amp which is on the limit sounds extremely in your face through a 12XN cab!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny_Innie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This: [url="https://twitter.com/AlanMcGeoch/status/483218505081561088/photo/1"]https://twitter.com/AlanMcGeoch/status/483218505081561088/photo/1[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 [quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418146005' post='2627360'] This: [url="https://twitter.com/AlanMcGeoch/status/483218505081561088/photo/1"]https://twitter.com/...1561088/photo/1[/url] [/quote] Not sure what your point is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 "....from where I'm standing...." Which is OK, and the rest of the room is OK because he'd putting the bass into the DI then through FOH. His 210 is nothing like the 210 you're looking at. So you can't draw any conclusions. This rig could work out in the room but you'd only know by trying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subthumper Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Shame really ,seeing as it was exposure on here that really launched Barefaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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