chaypup Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318337040' post='1400726'] Yeah. Does the person who didn't learn the tunes have children? Or a job that necessitates working lots of overtime? Or a sick relative? Or a sleep disorder? Or any number of other possible factors? Sometimes when someone says they didn't have time to do something they actually didn't... don't assume they're just being lazy unless you have good reason to. [/quote] Yes but when they've told you the week before that they will learn them..... My time is precious too but if I've said I'll learn something for the band I'll move/put aside other commitments to do ot OR just say "can't this week sorry I'm super busy/on holiday/going to Jupiter to collect ice samples or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaypup Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 On a related subject - is 3 months long enough for a horn section long enough to learn a set with reading the parts? Or am I being harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 IME most horn sections never learn to play without reading the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackers Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1318338618' post='1400767'] Yes but when they've told you the week before that they will learn them..... My time is precious too but if I've said I'll learn something for the band I'll move/put aside other commitments to do ot OR just say "can't this week sorry I'm super busy/on holiday/going to Jupiter to collect ice samples or whatever. [/quote] Ofcourse, and I would always do the same. However, I was just saying that it isn't always fair to assume that someone else is free as much/at the same time as you are, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdreadful Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Sometimes, and I get this might be a bit of a radical notion, stuff happens unexpectedly! Also, there are a lot of things that are ongoing and can't just be put aside (like having kids, for example). As for the "preciousness" of time when you actually have enough free time anyway to do things like being in a band: First World Problems, innit? I'm not saying people should just be allowed to flake out whenever they want, but that people should consider the reasons why they did before bitching about it, 'kay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318339108' post='1400788'] I'm not saying people should just be allowed to flake out whenever they want, but that people should consider the reasons why they did before bitching about it, 'kay? [/quote] As I'm lucky enough to have been born in the first world, and thus find myself with the leisure to have considered the reasons why my bandmates make excuses and formulate a reply from the comfort of central-heating, power, light and the connectivity of the internet, I have come to the conclusion: their excuses are sh*te. Can I now be critical-yet-tongue-in-cheek, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 As soon as someone inflicts their personal problems on you, time to bitch about it. A very excellent drummer I jammed with once messaged saying his daughter is ill so can't make next practice, and doesn't want to be 'that guy' so is out of the band. That's fair, annoying, but much less annoying that doing that at random intervals for the next year. Also, see the entire history of the blues for where music sits in relation to having life difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdreadful Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1318339430' post='1400791'] Can I now be critical-yet-tongue-in-cheek, please? [/quote] No. I'm not done being too serious. Edited October 11, 2011 by mrdreadful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algmusic Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318339108' post='1400788'] Sometimes, and I get this might be a bit of a radical notion, stuff happens unexpectedly! Also, there are a lot of things that are ongoing and can't just be put aside (like having kids, for example). As for the "preciousness" of time when you actually have enough free time anyway to do things like being in a band: First World Problems, innit? I'm not saying people should just be allowed to flake out whenever they want, but that people should consider the reasons why they did before bitching about it, 'kay? [/quote] it's all about balance. I think the beef people are have are with the offenders who constantly don't do stuff not the one off then it couldn't be helped. For me if it's paid work, the it's like a job/work.. you do it or I get someone else. You don't put tell you boss excuses about not completing that report in the office so no different for a gig, but also for a gig that's not paid the balance and mutual respect card has to be played. For 'Hobby' style stuff communication and notice is the key. If a band member always shows the kids, too busy, ran out of time card, maybe they should find a band more fitting to their level of commitment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1318338923' post='1400781'] IME most horn sections never learn to play without reading the parts. [/quote] This. They don't need to memorise it. Stick the dots in front of them and you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdreadful Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Balance is always important. Also context. I may well be missing a bunch of context here, but unless someone says "this happens regularly" I'm entitled to assume it's a one off occurence! Plus I'm at work and being at work makes my internet persona a lot less tolerant of other internet users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318339584' post='1400793'] No. I'm not done being too serious. [/quote] Damnation! I have guitarists to slate, sir - and I only have a small window before I'm meeting a colleague for fine, ethically-produced third-world coffee. However, you are welcome to join us for a rehearsal (our room is very third-world) and witness first hand. I don't think my guitarist plays between rehearsals. Honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 IME the perps are normally serial offenders. Anyone can have a week or so when things go a bit crazy but i am talking about guys who are regular wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdreadful Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1318341566' post='1400830'] I don't think my guitarist plays between rehearsals. Honestly. [/quote] Well of course he doesn't, he's the guitarist. His function, when off stage, is to drink booze and go on the pull and those things are very time consuming. Edited October 11, 2011 by mrdreadful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamPodmore Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318342165' post='1400837'] Well of course he doesn't, he's the guitarist. His function, when off stage, is to drink booze, [s]and go on the pull[/s]. attempt, and miserably fail to pull. [/quote] Corrected. Liam Edited October 11, 2011 by LiamPodmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Sod not having practiced and such like "I thought you were bringing the biscuits this week?" is the one that fills me with dread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='Low End Bee' timestamp='1318342803' post='1400854'] Sod not having practiced and such like "I thought you were bringing the biscuits this week?" is the one that fills me with dread. [/quote] Fackin' 'ell! You get biscuits?!? Do you need a second bassist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318337040' post='1400726'] Yeah. Does the person who didn't learn the tunes have children? Or a job that necessitates working lots of overtime? Or a sick relative? Or a sleep disorder? Or any number of other possible factors? Sometimes when someone says they didn't have time to do something they actually didn't... don't assume they're just being lazy unless you have good reason to. [/quote] i think the point is that its a recurring thing with people, i sometimes have crazy weeks where i cant learn a song but when people come every week with the same excuse its just plain lazy really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 ''away lads, i haven't had time for my dinner, shall we go for a pre-gig parmo?'' if you live in and around Middlesbrough and have ever had a parmo you will understand... if you haven't, here's a picture... as you can imagine you feel ''quite'' sluggish after one of these... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='nomis' timestamp='1318344136' post='1400875'] ''away lads, i haven't had time for my dinner, shall we go for a pre-gig parmo?'' if you live in and around Middlesbrough and have ever had a parmo you will understand... if you haven't, here's a picture... as you can imagine you feel ''quite'' sluggish after one of these... [/quote] What is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackers Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 That looks......disgusting haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdreadful Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Is it alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='jackers' timestamp='1318344465' post='1400881'] That looks......disgusting haha. [/quote] Get out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algmusic Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1318338705' post='1400774'] On a related subject - is 3 months long enough for a horn section long enough to learn a set with reading the parts? Or am I being harsh? [/quote] All the horn players I know would do that in a day.. they have to read it not memories it. The only issues is when the parts are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 ooh heres another one (from last night). Get sent a track to learn from a YouTube link in an email. Get to rehearsal and 1-2-3-4 first chord sounds awful. "What chord are you playing?" i ask. "Cm7" says guitartist. "Thats strange as the track you sent me was in Bm." i say. "Yeah but it sounds better in Cm" OK not a big deal - i know how to transpose. Thing is it would be good to communicate this to the other guys in the band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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