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AttitudeCastle Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Bilbo' post='1277508' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:09 PM'] [/quote] Give some frets and i'd buy one (if it were cheap enough ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Lordy... Our guitarist almost wet his pants when I turned up with a 6 string bass, an 11 string would fry his brain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Johnston' post='1277544' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:28 PM']You mean he didn't think you'd just brought a large guitar along But it does pose a question, When does an ERB cease to be a Bass.[/quote] Never, its still An Extended Range [b]Bass[/b] It cross over into the "guitar range" and some times even to the top of it, but it still has the strings a bass have and lower and then them other higher ones! Would you apply that to trombone? (for example, and just because i had the trombone/trumpet version of this question earlier today!) If the parts are always higher? Though maybe thats not as good an arguement as they are built differently but apply it to Tuba and trumpet and where is the line? If it can only play the higher parts then its just a guitar/trumpet but it comes from and has the whole range of the bass/tuba at the heart of it! Just my ramblings i'll keep 'em to myself next time haha Edited June 21, 2011 by AttitudeCastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisd24 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Johnston' post='1277544' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:28 PM']You mean he didn't think you'd just brought a large guitar along But it does pose a question, When does an ERB cease to be a Bass.[/quote] think its about here........ ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 What a racket.....I lasted about 20 seconds on that first clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Bilbo' post='1277508' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:09 PM'] [/quote] Please stop posting these Alain Caron clips mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexbasscat Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='AttitudeCastle' post='1277556' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:34 PM']Never, its still An Extended Range [b]Bass[/b] It cross over into the "guitar range" and some times even to the top of it, but it still has the strings a bass have and lower and then them other higher ones! Would you apply that to trombone? (for example, and just because i had the trombone/trumpet version of this question earlier today!) If the parts are always higher? Though maybe thats not as good an arguement as they are built differently but apply it to Tuba and trumpet and where is the line? If it can only play the higher parts then its just a guitar/trumpet but it comes from and has the whole range of the bass/tuba at the heart of it! Just my ramblings i'll keep 'em to myself next time haha [/quote] OK I'll play The Cello covers pretty much the same range on the stave as a 5 - string bass guitar. The scale length is typically 34", the same as many 4 -string basses. You can pluck it the same as a bass guitar and even produce some pretty decent fretless bass type sounds. Instead of using the bass guitar to emulate a Double Bass, why not turn the idea around and use the Cello as a natural sister instrument to the bass guitar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanark Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='AttitudeCastle' post='1277556' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:34 PM']Never, its still An Extended Range [b]Bass[/b][/quote] But that's just nomenclature, why isn't it also an Extended Range Guitar? A guitar with its range extended downwards, rather than a bass extended upwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomEndian Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='lanark' post='1277708' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:44 PM']But that's just nomenclature, why isn't it also an Extended Range Guitar?[/quote] Physical size and scale length, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='1277687' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:34 PM']OK I'll play The Cello covers pretty much the same range on the stave as a 5 - string bass guitar. The scale length is typically 34", the same as many 4 -string basses. You can pluck it the same as a bass guitar and even produce some pretty decent fretless bass type sounds. Instead of using the bass guitar to emulate a Double Bass, why not turn the idea around and use the Cello as a natural sister instrument to the bass guitar ?[/quote] I think it depends on the tuning to get the whole range, where as a bass guitar has the whole range avalible (though of this i'm unsure, and i'm talking about the low notes) Though doesn't A bass guitar sound one octave below written? So the B, 2 ledger lines down below the staff is the B string, but what you're actually hearing is the octave below that, The reason it is still a bass is it's access too and chromaticism (is that a word? ) in the lowest register (in terms of an ERB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexbasscat Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='AttitudeCastle' post='1277734' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:54 PM']I think it depends on the tuning to get the whole range, where as a bass guitar has the whole range avalible (though of this i'm unsure, and i'm talking about the low notes) Though doesn't A bass guitar sound one octave below written? So the B, 2 ledger lines down below the staff is the B string, but what you're actually hearing is the octave below that, The reason it is still a bass is it's access too and chromaticism (is that a word? ) in the lowest register (in terms of an ERB)[/quote] Just checked it to be sure. The lowest note of the Cello in standard tuning is C2, that is C two octaves below middle C, which is one semitone lower than the B on a 5 string bass. A giant upright acoustic bass guitar ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 HEY! I'm here!! Sorry I took so long arriving. (God there's gotta be a joke in there somewhere). I won't even fuss maself with the 'how many strings/ what is Bass' debate - just THANKS for the post! With ref to the beast in question though, I play guitar, keyboard and a smidge of drums as well as Bass - call me wierd, but I really like the idea of having all the best bits from each in one instrument. I often get asked why I don't own a Chapman Stick yet, for the same reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Acoustic guitar, electric guitar, bass guitar, harp. Who gives a rats ass? I just see strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='dood' post='1277847' date='Jun 21 2011, 10:28 PM']With ref to the beast in question though, I play guitar, keyboard and a smidge of drums as well as Bass[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I would hang it on the wall next to the others......... Perhaps I should actually take one fown and play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomEndian Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='1277824' date='Jun 21 2011, 10:11 PM']Just checked it to be sure. The lowest note of the Cello in standard tuning is C2, that is C two octaves below middle C, which is one semitone lower than the B on a 5 string bass.[/quote] The lowest note on a cello is indeed C2, but that's still an octave and a semitone higher than the low B on a 5-string bass, which is B0. The cello range (C2 to around A5, according to Wikipedia) is more comparable to a guitar (E2 to somewhere around C6, depending on number of frets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydye Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 simple thought to throw in... bass - essentially for single notes (with a bit of chording) guitar - chords ahoy (with a bit of single note stuff) 2 different beasts for 2 different purposes even with the tonal crossover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I have to say, that bass in the video did sound awful. It probably would have been better if he hadn't just been squeaking away on those top strings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 There is a wonderful quote from Billy Sheehan somewhere about basses with more than 4 strings, and I cant quite remember it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Stag' post='1278753' date='Jun 22 2011, 04:59 PM']There is a wonderful quote from Billy Sheehan somewhere about basses with more than 4 strings, and I cant quite remember it... [/quote] He's said many times, most guys don't give it a "real go" a "real go" being defined as around 20 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='Chris2112' post='1278728' date='Jun 22 2011, 04:48 PM']I have to say, that bass in the video did sound awful. It probably would have been better if he hadn't just been squeaking away on those top strings![/quote] Phew, not just me that thought that! I'm afraid I don't get the erb thing, all that extra stuff to hold and move around (plus the cost of an 11-string replacement set) all for about 5 more notes per string... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='ead' post='1279570' date='Jun 23 2011, 12:57 PM']Phew, not just me that thought that! I'm afraid I don't get the erb thing, all that extra stuff to hold and move around (plus the cost of an 11-string replacement set) all for about 5 more notes per string...[/quote] And access to more notes in one hand position, and more ways to play the same note/octaves (octaves if you're doing the whole two handed tapping thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 [quote name='lanark' post='1277708' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:44 PM']But that's just nomenclature, why isn't it also an Extended Range Guitar? A guitar with its range extended downwards, rather than a bass extended upwards?[/quote] Perhaps because the first people to have them built were bassists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeg Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 How much would a set of DR's be for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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