EBS_freak

Just seen your edit. Oh.. I absolutely do... The inclusion of HPF in the 410 is a marketing ploy to potentially place the BF410 above the competition. Sharp, ain't I?

Proper chill here. I thought you were out. We really should be getting back to talking about the cabs btw.

Drives me which way? You made a veiled attack on me, I responded with an honest response. And while we are talking about not understanding stuff, I don't understand how marketing claims defy certain givens. Each to their own.

I spoke about the 410s with regard to the marketing approach that BF use - reread the post exactly above it for some context. I couldn't care less about EBS cabs, I use JH Audio Roxannes. Incidentally, if you want to bring EBS cabs into play, I don't approve of the cheapening of their products that they have done. Chinese knock off corners, thinning of the carpet covering... the same Gamma/Delta speakers that everybody else uses. The appeal of their cabs to me, is actually the Selenium HF horn... which isn't that expensive either but like most cabs doesn't really justify the prices of their cabs either. I'd much rather run with a decent PA in front of me - it would certainly leave the EBS cabs for dust.

At no point did I infer that the 410 was FR/FR. It was you that brought that term into play with reference to the 410. It's great that people like them - as it would be pretty poor if people were buying cabs that they didn't like. I would be interested to hear from people who have owned and gig a whole load of 410s and be able to give a real world view on the BF 410 to see if the marketing hype actually translates into real world performance. I get the lightweight thing - I absolutely do - but sometimes I think that the actual performance of the cabs may be overhyped due to the owner being so pleased about the weight of the cab. Like I've said before, if Alex's 18" sub actually performs as well as the competition, then he is onto a winner... but a lightweight sub is pretty much high up on any sound guys wish list. If it was achievable with absolutely zero impact on the sound performance, I'm sure that every manufacturer in the land would be doing it. Call me cynical - but Alex surely can't be the first person to make a killer lightweight 18 sub to perform as an equal against the other products in the market? Marketing in action - 130dB - similar to typical 2x18" DJ subs A pair of 2x18s should be approaching, if not exceeding, 140dB. EDIT : I would actually buy a pair of Alex's 18s if they out gunned my current subs.

I'm sure I've said this before... maybe it's the flaws in the cab that actually appeals to people. The 8x10, from a physics point of view, is one of the most flawed cabs out there... but it's also one of the most loved cabs. Sometimes, the flaws are the appeal. I don't think anybody is bashing, trying to discredit or necessarily having an axe to grind, - I think it's just that there are people out there who are genuinely interested in looking past the marketing hype and technobabble to find out more about the meat and bones of a cab design. There have been some very interesting view points put forward in this thread alone... and I think Stevie is actually making some valid points in response to Alex's. Alex certainly hasn't done anything ground breaking in terms of cab design... and if the addition of a hpf one side of a 4x10 is taking the flaws out and making it such a better cab, without fail, for the cost of implementing those hpf, EVERY 4x10 manufacturer would be doing it.

I didn't say they were presented as fr/fr cabs. Lighter than a lot of the competition maybe... but better... based on what evidence?

Remember, 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. May I introduce to you, my new 410.

Man, if there was a 5 string version of this, I'd be all over it.

OOh - thats good to know. The lack of decent grabby thing has put me off upgrading my iPad.

Don't powersoak/attenuate a SS amp.

Sounds like a good offer to me.

Aw noooooooo Woojer delay. It's going to be a long 3-4 months. I don't even need the bluetooth bit!

Ive wondered why those awful (to look at) clip on headstock tuners haven't got a time on them... at least you could kill two birds with one look without the audience knowing that you are clock watching.

Anybody got one of these yet? I think the lack of a top hat for pole mounting tops was a bit of an oversight given the market that they appear to going for...

Molan - Same with off axis and on axis micing. Off axis reduces the treble response... which when micing up ear splitting harsh treble guitar amps, can be a sneaky trick to help tame those highs.

You'd love the Tickled Trout in Wye. Full compliment of roadies, front of house crew, separate monitoring crew, d&b monitors in abundance for all... and to top it off, in exchange for your night of entertainment, a hefty pay check. No rider is too much, you have your own private wing to get ready for the gig and if requested, fluffers are on hand to get you prepared. Hell, you may even get use of a helicopter to get you to and from the venue so you don't have to mingle with the common folk. Just don't forget to wear your best strides for the occasion. Make no mistake, you won't have any problems hearing yourself at the Tickled Trout. * so I've heard. I clearly don't move in the circles that are worthy of playing at the aforementioned venue.

Oh to play the Tickled Trout where the d&b monitors would eradicate this entire problem.

I believe he does trials? - so you should be able to get one to use in familiar surroundings? Certainly worth giving him a call.

use inears and use a bass rig to balance with your front of house if isn't up to the job of pushing bass out... or sack off the bass rig and use inears with the foh taking care of everything.

[quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1493844364' post='3291280'] A tilt back solution would certainly be a smaller way to spread those higher frequencies! The silly thing is that I use a pretty flat 'kick-back' type combo for a weeky house band gig. We're playing the blues, so I only need the thump from that one! It is a little underpowered though, so it still fits the bill. [/quote] I was looking at some serious wedge monitors as my backline, maybe even DBs - where's JTUK when you need him? The only problem is that they don't go as deep as maybe other cabs... but having said that, maybe thats a good thing, as things can get swamp on stage. If you need the serious lows, get some proper subs to use out front and keep everything behind the FOH hpfed. Thats what I ended up doing anyway. So yeah, maybe one day - but as I stated, there's only one band that I play with now that I don't use IEMs with. [quote] The RCF stuff looks intriguing, although ugly as sin. [/quote] In a thread that mentions barefaced? Have to agree though, the ART 7s are a bit fugly compared to say any other module in the RCF range... but hey, find me something at that price point that has those kinda drivers and that kind of amp with the DSP that tunes the cab flat in them. [quote] I preumse the plastic is sturdy? The response of the 745 goes to 45hz at -3db, the same 'number' as my MB NY121s, although MB don't state whether that's -3 or-10db. I do notice with a fiver that the lower range rolls off, and while the usefulness of that real bottom end is debatable, it would be nice to have the choice, even if I do reign it in 90% of the time. The 30hz of the Big Twin is appealing on that front, although I realise I'm listening with my eyes to a degree there. [/quote] The ABS plastic is very sturdy - and internally, it's also braced. Theres a guy from Trinity Productions on YouTube that takes ones apart - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ireX_kcQbkk You'll see from the SMAART response, it's about as FRFR as you could ever want. In short, it's a pretty unique, awesome piece of kit at that price point. For a lot of bands, two of these will replace a pair of 12s with a pair of subs - to use one or a pair as a standalone rig for bass or guitar (hey, stereo guitar rigs are fun) is in the realm of getting super serious and price for price, will outperform pretty much, if not all, offerings from any bass specific manufacturers, powered or passive - because nobody put speakers like these in their cabs at this kind of price point.

Should point out, my 745s are awesome all round - I have sung their praises numerous times. I use them for my Kemper, guitar and bass... and in my band, with a couple of 8004s underneath them, it's quite a formidable system. I can use them as backline or as foh as I'm mostly on IEMs now. At one stage, I did contemplate some serious PA wedges for my bass dep work... but I just tend to take my EBS cabs with either one of my EBS heads or the Kemper with the cab sim off. That's the only thing about the 745s, people still do seem to like the classic bass look - but the 745s absolutely piss over any bass cab I've used. As stated, that compression horn really works wonders - and a horn like that is normally only in heavier wooden cabs with more than double the retail. A real smart move from RCF making an absolutely killer lightweight top.

PS - good finishes cost money - because they are very labour intensive. Stripping, preparing, spraying, flattening, polishing. And thats before you have taken the time to make sure the environment is all ready to spray... not to mention the cost of the equipment to do it all. And lets face it, spraying polyester isn't the kindest of things to subject your body too... hence the airfed masks.

https://www.bowfinishing.co.uk/guitars/ Looks like they have done a Status near to your spec already -

Passive FRFR makes no sense - a powered cab with the DSP in it to make it as flat as you would ever want is surely where your money would go if you wanted a true FRFR setup. For the cost of some of these "bass" cabs - and I'm not just referring to BF, Berg and Vanderklay, you could start looking at some serious FRFR PA tops that would yield some incredible performance.