Musicman20

I get the impression if you like a Warwick, you will like them for life. I for one tried a few Warwicks and they just arent me, but everyone is different. They look extremely solid, but the aesthetics really dont catch my eye. Go out and try what you can

Gallien, Aguilar or Orange.

Sounds great to me, but I don't ever mod basses. If they aren't good enough before, I don't buy them. Most players like to mod, but I like them stock. Stingray pups and pre-amps are expensive as they are, and do it how they should, so personally I'd stick with Rays as stock.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='919789' date='Aug 9 2010, 04:33 PM']Just a quick update. The retailer has today received the bass back and have got in touch to make sure im happy with a Black/maple replacement. They are checking the replacment out before sending it tomorrow. So far they haven't mentioned the original ones issues or questioned it. Fingers crossed the new one will be the final one.[/quote] Excellent. Im glad they are being helpful and actually realising there is a problem. Let me know how the new one is.

Id like to see how large they are in the flesh first, but I must admit Im VERY tempted.

[quote name='JTUK' post='919497' date='Aug 9 2010, 12:29 PM']A friend of mine just pointed out that the dims on the AE212 are pretty much the same as 2 AE112's which I would consider at some point..although not tempted to pay the AE112 new prices.. I have a system that I am more than happy with, so I don't need to rush out and buy, but to get the same sort of thing as 2 AE112 at £800-ish as opposed to £1100 for the seperates got me into thinking that this is what I might pay second hand for the seperates anyway. So, does anyone have any thoughts or experience of these cabs? I am thinking that the AE212 will be a tad more low down than the AE112..which is not supposed to be lacking anyway.. If this is the case, then I think I can fit one into my car. Damn GAS.. I was doing great until he who shall not be named pipped up [/quote] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoWx2ixLLJo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoWx2ixLLJo[/url]

[quote name='solofunkyjazz' post='919450' date='Aug 9 2010, 11:54 AM']It's a shame you can't try cabs in a gig situation, 'cos that's when you use them. I always found the 2 Epifani 4x10's that I had to be 'muffled'. They were quite mid shy but very warm sounding, so I don't think that'd be your best choice. The Aguilar GS cabs are similar, mid shy but warm sounding. The Aguilar DB cabs are I think warm but with a more pronounced mid focus, and that would be my recommendation. They're also more reasonably priced. The best guy to ask is Ken Jung on talkbass, he's tried pretty much every cab/amp combination on the planet. Most people will only recommend what they use themselves, and if they've been duped into buying something overpriced and 'boutique' then they'll try and talk you into that. Try experimenting with your EQ settings. I've tried loads of cabs over the last few years. Bergs are way over priced for what they are, and have a 'sound' that if you like it then great, if not you have to try and get rid of it. The same goes for Epifani.[/quote] I have to say, this is spot on advice for nearly every 'what cabinet?' scenario on Basschat. It is all down to personal taste. IMO, the Aguilar DBs are more mid focussed, quite a 'rock' sound, but excellent for anything requiring articulation. They bring out the sound of your bass/amp very well. Huge and warm low end, nice mids, clean and warm/sweet highs. Id like to try 2 x GS112 soon, as Ive heard the low end is absolutely awesome. Berg HS210? Ive tried the HS410, and its a POWERHOUSE of a one cab solution. I almost want another....in fact I do. BUT, there is something about the Aguilar cabinets that screams 'my tone' every time I plug in. I wll admit, the HS410 was very clean and precise. I wouldnt say it had 'vintage warmth' though. The tweeter had to be tamed somewhat, whereas the Aguilar tweeter can quite happily be on half way and still sound sweet. +1 on asking Kjung, but also be aware, as he will state, he likes a bright/punchy tone for that modern J bass sound. Check out his youtube videos.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='919201' date='Aug 9 2010, 01:16 AM']This thread should be banned, my gas is to high, I may explode. I want ray, I don't want to spend ray money, not even used money, I want a project, I don't want a olp project, I want string mutes, I don't really need another ray sounding bass, but right now it's all I like. I'm gonna see how well I get on with my next P-bass and if it goes well I'll mod that but who knows, there are some really nice used rays and one on the bay with the classic bridge. So I don't bloody know what I'll do with my cash.....[/quote] IMO, a Ray, a P and a J are exactly the tones ive been after since I started listening to the bass guitar. Cannot go wrong with any of them. There is a certain 'feel' and effortless 'ommph' with a Stingray that no other bass can match, and thats why I go back to them. Sometimes the tone is a little OTT, but as Ive found recently, a set of flats and a treble cut makes ALL the difference. Thumb resting on single H, plus that great neck profile, is perfect for fingerstyle.

If you like them, keep them I sold two Rays thinking ill buy one 4 Ray and one 5 Ray. I dont currently have any due to waiting for stock, but I REALLY miss having both those Rays. So much so that I might just bite the bullet and get another. Ive learnt so far that GASSING for new gear is bad for your gear collection as sometimes you sell something thats really good.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='918261' date='Aug 7 2010, 07:14 PM']Indeed, I'm still looking for the right P-bass for me. im pretty satisfied with my jag for a good jazz bass tone. Although ts got a load of switches and a naff preamp it does the standard jazz bass tone very well. How are you with Rics?[/quote] Only played a poorly set up Ric about 12 years ago and never got to plugging it in. I absolutely love how they look....and I quite like the tone. My issue with them is how many people get them brand new with bad finishes, things out of place, and general problems. They cant all be like that though, so id love to try a really good one.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='918228' date='Aug 7 2010, 06:42 PM']yeah nothing wrong with Jazzes. I like a good Jazz with 70s postion pups, phat alnico and nice low action. I just wish fender had a better active sound. G, I may be tempted to let go of my Jaguar with fender custom shop 60s for a nice price?[/quote] Fender are much better when it comes to plain old passive and ive learnt that when I bought a Fender P Deluxe some years back then sold it on. Thanks for the offer, but I think at the moment im still sticking only with a Ray or Jazz. Cheers anyway.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='918078' date='Aug 7 2010, 04:04 PM']That is a lot of GAS you have![/quote] Hahaha! Yep, and realistically I have to choose just the one.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='917979' date='Aug 7 2010, 02:08 PM']Also we are 3 pages in and no one has given any love for your another Jazz option,I dont want to be labeled some kind of Ray only player/collector! Nowt wrong with going fo another Jazz I love them too and I even work for a company which employs a Mr Jazz Mann and that is the truth! What jazzes are in the the lineup?[/quote] Would be yet another American Standard (3TS, Rosewood, Tort) 2010 (new), or a CIJ/MIJ Jazz as long as its in excellent condition. I did look into the Road Worn Jazz, but Ive had second thoughts. The lineup now runs at: 2010 3EQ Ray 4 H 2010 2EQ Ray 4 H 2010 American Standard Jazz Pre-owned MIJ/CIJ Jazz Possibly second hand Ray if they are the colour Im after.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='917973' date='Aug 7 2010, 02:00 PM']Really though how different can a Classic be to my EB? Mine is in need of a setup which I think will make more of a difference when its done on tuesday. [url="http://imageevent.com/nicksguitars/stingray1993tealblue;jsessionid=cyjm8rp5y2.zebra_s"]http://imageevent.com/nicksguitars/stingra...m8rp5y2.zebra_s[/url] What about this? 2 band,mutes and well known as great age for necks half the price of a Classic![/quote] Nice, and agreed!

From reading a few reviews of those who got a top notch Classic Ray, they are 'stating' they prefer it to their original Ray. This is from the EB Forums btw. They could still be in the honeymoon period though. My main issue is that at the moment, as mentioned, Ernie Ball basses are not fetching what they should. £650 for an immaculate Ray is just silly. I think its just not the right time to be selling one. But, in America, they seem very popular still. All it needs is one current large UK band to start using one live and you see a few more people buying them Remember Song 2 by Blur? I used to get a lot of people asking 'what bass does he use, it sounds and looks fantastic!' etc etc. Maybe its the colour choices though. Black/Natural/White/Burst are still the best colours on a Ray IMO and always seem to sell quicker.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='917911' date='Aug 7 2010, 12:44 PM']There has been cheaper ones on the for sale forum here. eBay is bad place to get a hold of pre-CBS and pre-EB basses, one person with one who spent £500 on it see the Germans price there's at 2k and then they think they can aswell, even if it's a dog. I just saw a 63 precision neck on the bay for £1k+ I agree that the pre-EB rays are alot cheaper.[/quote] Personally, I hate ebay for buying. Id never buy a bass off ebay...id rather wait until it comes up here. Agreed though, Id love an early Ray, but Im far too picky.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='917169' date='Aug 6 2010, 05:16 PM']This theory is massively flawed as you have proved to us and yourself,My pre is old but bought through a good dealer who would not of bought a lemon as he hand picks them in the States wheras you ordered a Classic brand new and it had issues from the start which I know you went into on another thread so I wont go into it.New is not always best IMO. As far as Im aware the 2 band eq is the same circuit albeit on a modern PCB on the very latest EB's so as far as sound goes the only real difference is the slab body where the EB will lose a bit of body to its sound.[/quote] Ah yes I see your point. Its not just that, its the warranty as well I like to have, but yep, dealers will only tend to get top models. Good to know info on the 2 Band EQ as well.

Ibanez Promethean? You can get just the 1x10. [url="http://www.bassmerchant.com/item_detail.php?product_id=1051&category_id=2"]http://www.bassmerchant.com/item_detail.ph...p;category_id=2[/url]

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='916310' date='Aug 5 2010, 07:23 PM']There does seem to be a common theme on Basschat of people who love stingrays that go around the houses with all sorts of special versions and custom orders then sell them on only to find they need another Ray, Yet those that have pre EB's appear to rather sell a relative or rarely used body part before they would sell them and not just because of future possible value but as actual gigging basses.Im not sure the gap in price between all the versions is worth it either.A nice pre is just that and will always find a new home for good money whereas EB's drop like lead balloons and unfairly at the moment I think. For £700 you can have choice of colour on ebay or even on here,Is a classic that different to warrant the massive ammount of extra cost? For that price you could buy a 2 and a 3 band EB that would be just as good IMO. It always ends the same with this common thread,Either fork out for a pre or save some money and enjoy a nice secondhand EB. [/quote] I agree on the pricing. Id imagine for a brand new Ray, no one should be asking less than £900-£1000 as they retail for about £1300 for a normal 3EQ Ray 4 H. I did go round the houses. One of the basses I sold was for the Ray5 HS, which I knew had to happen. The other got sold for the Classic Ray, which wasnt as spot on as I expected. I still want one though. I have definitely come to the conclusion I miss have two different 4 string H 3EQ Rays, so I might just get another. I think once you find a bass/brand that works for you, its sometimes best to ignore any other brands that sway you, as it can lead to disappointment. Im really missing having that massive Ray sound. Yes, I have 2 incoming, but I sold one that I really didnt need to, so I will learn my lesson and bu another! 2EQ or 3EQ standard. It might just be a 3EQ, as Ive heard the latest 2EQ models arent like the old 2EQ models. In addition, those extra 'lows' we all like are actually very punishing on your amp/speaker, and its not actually needed! Sounds nice though. We shall see. [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='916430' date='Aug 5 2010, 09:42 PM']I think you have a point there on pre-EBs they retain they're price pretty consistently where as even good SR4s are going for less than half te price new, but I think Gareth here is the kind to buy new..... I might get saving for a Pre-EB now.[/quote] I am a fan of buying new. I dont like buying and not knowing any potential problems, which is me just being picky and cautious as usual!

My friends Dad had a double pickup version of a USA G&L (not sure of their models). Looked awesome, and we all sat and compared it to my old Ray 4 H which was the same finish (natural). The G&L did have a unique tone, and its 'G&L'. Nice bass, but for me, Id always craved the Ray sound, so Ive stuck with them.

If you dont like the inherent sound of it, with even just stock tubes, then it might not be the amp for you. Mine still has stock tubes and I couldnt be happier with the tone.

I think the AC's (and mayeb Nordy) are more well known for having that vintage vibe. I dont mean full on vintage, just more 'grunt'. I know what you mean about sounding good in the mix but I have to be happy with both a mix sound and the tone on its own (to an extent, obviously). Some active basses Ive heard do get close to a vintage sound but just with that extra ommph (like the new John East P circuit), and thats what Id be looking for. To be honest, a good old passive bass with the Tone Hammer is just as good for me. If I had serious cash now, id be looking at an Alleva or a Nordy. Something sets them apart from the crowd, especially the Nordy basses. Still not 100% on the AC headstock but Id get used to it. If I didnt get them id ask Overwater or Sei to make me an amazing passive Jazz with a subtle EQ. I do know why you like them though, dont get me wrong. Lovely looking instruments.