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[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1388356368' post='2321244'] Andy, apologies if my reply seemed flippant, but, you've had a few good replies all suggesting that what you propose isn't worth doing. However,if you really want to present your stage sound through a mic into a cheap mixer then off to the P.A the go for it. After many years micing and D.Iing bass cabs for clients I can honestly say I get 90%of what we all need from the D.I regardless of the quality of the bass amp and cab. I think most bassists working larger stages accept their sound will be altered to fit the mix in what particular context the band are appearing. (As are guitar amps despite what you think),and that their personal backline will not be heard by the audience. If you sincerely believe your backline tone is that good, then go for it. MM [/quote] apologies if mine was to, i know alot of things need to be changed ie venue specific etc just looking to get the sound i want across maybe a wasted experiment but if i get what i need then it'll be gd work for me. also im not saying my tone is amazing and how dare some one change it. will try and get the best mixer that i can afford, any tips on the mic's? andy

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1388354219' post='2321214'] Go ahead, you know best. [/quote] would appear you think the opposite. i want to try it at least, was looking for advice to see if there was a better way or if i was thinking along the right lines with my idea. andy

[quote name='Bankai' timestamp='1388352098' post='2321187'] I give up. [/quote] im trying to get the sound of my amp and cab and being told to basically ignore that is a bit weird imo. ive actually had a chat with a few sound guys and a gal that a friend of mine knows and all have said that they wouldnt have a problem with what im proposing and have said that if it didnt cause feedback then there wouldnt be a problem. the signal wnt be a bad one as the mixer i was looking into is about 200 quid new, obviously wnt pay that. andy

dnt get me wrong i love pedals but ive paid probs like £1000 without including the bass to get to where i am kinda dnt want a £80 di box like a sansamp. would be up for trying the emulated cab, to see if it helped but id run into it with a di not inbetween cab and speaker. not meaning to sound angry or rude btw.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1388345605' post='2321071'] actually a really good idea there - forget what I said. If I were you I would do that. I'm not you mind! In terms of fitting a bass sound into a wall of guitars... for clarity I would go DI every time over a mic ed cab. And it will open up ideas for you... split your signal, blend in the low end clean or overdriven with the fuzz sound ontop, or whatever you want - you can create monster tones and know that the PA will be able to make it sound awesome - and fit into the mix in a way your amp and cab never could. the pedal you're using isn't a hard build on vero, make 10 of them for the price of a decent microphone to mic your cab.... that's my 2p [/quote] thing is i surely that will still have the issue with the fuzz and also will be completely bypassing my rig completely? i use a combination of the overdrive(mesa flux drive) and the amps natural gain to get my "clean" tone dnt want to bypass my rig completely

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1388341139' post='2320990'] IMO D.Id basses and D.Id guitars are nothing at all alike. But, if you feel your cab adds to your tone, then go for the mic thang. I don't agree that your cab,with a mic, can provide tonal differences in your venue derived sound that can't be achieved via easier methods, ie a sansamp or similar. Good luck. [/quote] im willing to try out a cab sim to see if its any better but im gonna atleast give the mic idea a go i think andy

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1388334832' post='2320886'] To be fair the 130 might be perfect for you, and different branded strings have a different feel anyway... I just replaced some D'Addario nickels with Warwick EMPs. The .130 feels a little looser on the new ones, and .005 lfighter gauges on the top 3 strings makes a world of difference. I thought the D'Addarios were a little too heavy but I might have gone too far the other way now [/quote] i think ive got rotos on at min but thats because i fancied a change from the dunlops(had a four string Trujillo) they've held up well considering i tune in d standard and also drop d the 100/105 cant rem exactly what gauge holds up well not to floppy (i like the sound of the string hitting the neck a bit) which hopefully means ill like the 130. was tempted to try the trujillo set again as the to string is nickel might try that later to see if it makes a difference andy

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1388333701' post='2320859'] I'd have gone for a minimum of .135 on the bottom string if its 34" scale. If it strings through the body you can get away with less and still have a punchy tone [/quote] sadly doesnt string through the body has a good quality bridge so will see if i need to grab a 135 no biggy andy

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1388329334' post='2320788'] This is IMO just another "I don't trust the engineer with my finely crafted delicate bass tone.man" Unless you have your own engineer with whom you can explore bass tones and their context, ie your band, you are going to have to trust the house engineer until you do. You can help out buy providing a good di tone, for example a sansamp or similar with your tone set up already on it, rather than rely on the houses ancient behringer d.is,or take your feed from your head post EQ ( not something I'd recommend as the EQ you use for your speaker cab will almost certainly not suit the P.A requirements). If you really want a mic, ask for a mic, but dont be surprised if you don't get it, as unless you have a very specific cab tone (yes of course you have don't you?) it will be widely regarded as a luxury by hard pressed engineers. Pre mixing a mic and a DI into a cheap noisy behringer £40 mixer completely defeats the point of trying to get a better tone to the P.A. All IMO of course. [/quote] i can see where your coming from, but i suppose this all leads back to a point that i think always and will always irk and displease me a bit. i actually do work hard getting a sound that fits in with the wall of guitars that is metal, my sound has changed from a clean sound with a bit of grit into a dirty tone that sits in with the guitars but doesnt get lost. i just really dnt see why we as bassists should have to sit back and watch the guitarists get mic'd and have there distortion come across as intended and we get looked at like we've done something bad if i ask if he can mic me, or are as you say causing a problem for the hard pressed engineer. ive heard a guitar line out with no cab it sounded awful just fizz (can't imagine they be happy if they were told to put a di box instead of a mic) ive asked a few of my friends on facebook and asked if they would have a problem is someone did this and have actually got positive feedback about the idea off them. i always send my di post eq, as i know this sounds selfish but they are meant to be amplifying me, not doing as some would(not everyone) making the bass sound how they like it, ive never had complaints about this. i dnt think i should have to accept that i should di as its easier, as ive said above i dnt want to remove the di completely but have a 70/30 or what ever sounds best mic/di mix. please dnt take this as me being snobby, but i actually feel the cab adds something. the last gig we did was a small stage low stage volume but the mic infront of the cab caused no probs for the sound crew at all. thats a long winded way of saying that we get rough treatment, obviously if you play clean this is much less or no problem. andy

have ordered a set of dunlop medium gauge ss strings 130-100-85-60 i think is what they are gonna through the 45 in my spares string my mody like the low end of a 5, if the 130 is a bit to floppy in a ill grab a 135 and see how i get on. andy

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1388274964' post='2320421'] I can't see that there would be any benefit in running a speaker level DI with a Class-D amp. They're designed so that the power amp is relatively uncoloured and not run into clipping in normal use, with all of the dirt and tone shaping coming from the preamp. Speaker level DIs tend to be used with all-valve amps where the power amp is considered an important part of the character. [/quote] true i doubt the amps adding anything, or if it is it wnt be adding like a valve power section would.

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1388315405' post='2320604'] If you`re looking for clean headroom Mark, I think from experience either GK MB Fusion (less plasticy looking than the regular MB imo, due to the colour) or Markbass. I`d add Genz Shuttle or EBS based on reading other user opinions. Having used the GK MB Fusion 500 with a Schro, it is amazingly loud and depending on where you set the gain, incredibly clean as well - the 800 would really be clean/loud. Not used a Markbass amp with a Schro but a Little Mark Tube 800 would give bags of clean-ness, and the added option for a bit of fur. That said, what inspired me for my choice of amp? It was that whenever I heard a bassist in a bands tone that I liked, it invariably was a Markbass amp. So maybe look at whatever rigs you`ve heard that you find you always like. [/quote] if i didnt have my orange or the valve version id probs have some form of markbass the sd1200(way more than what id ever need) is an awesome amp and used to have the little mark tube 500 and it was loud as you would ever need it.

[quote name='Ed_S' timestamp='1388301578' post='2320495'] Don't know if it'll help at all, but to get the feel I personally like (playing fairly fast metal with a pick), I use / have used... On my normal Fender and Squier Precisions, which are 34" scale: E - 100 Eb - 100 or 105 depending on brand of string D - 105 C - 125 B - 130 On my custom built P, which is 35" scale: Bb - 130 If I was going to take it down to A on my custom, the 130 might just manage it. On a 34" scale, though, I think I'd want to go for a 135. That's just my take on it, mind - you might like the strings to feel 'floppier' than I do... [/quote] I dnt like it to be super tight, like a little give, as i say above i use 100/105 for a low c at the min when i drop tune so might just try a 130 as it seems i like to use a gauge thats ment for a slightly higher tuning. My modys 34" scale aswell Andy

[quote name='andydye' timestamp='1387913019' post='2317203'] I've decided to sell a load of gear and raise the budget to allow me to buy the orange rig! [/quote] You wnt regret getting the orange awesome amps

ill be going to go a step down so ill have a low a Wondering if i should go 125 or 130 on the low a

so im looking into getting a 5 stringer next month but im gonna update the tuning on my mody as well and was looking for a few suggestions on gauge im gonna be going to a-d-g-c use a pretty standard 100-45 i think atm andy

like sibob said no real right or wrong i go tuner first comp end andy

[quote name='Bankai' timestamp='1388255672' post='2320084'] No. The Behringer GI100 is safe to connect to loads of up to 3000W. Check the product page please: [url="http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/GI100.aspx"]http://www.behringer...ucts/GI100.aspx[/url] [/quote] i did see something about a grounding issue with this as using this with a class d amp like my orange? it was mentioned earlier in the thread, something about speaker outs not being earthed? andy

[quote name='6v6' timestamp='1388245899' post='2319925'] There are *lots* of big ish mics which would be better for a bass cab than a 57. If you've found that some engineers will mic the cab anyway, I'm not really sure why you'd want the effort and expense of doing it all yourself, save yourself hundreds and just buy the guy doing the sound a pint while asking him nicely to mic and DI, problem solved! [/quote] really know very little about mics so thats why i went for the 57 would something like similar to a kickdrum mic be better? thing is alot around my area wnt they have the di and thats it, the best sound ive had was at a medium sized club where they did both, looking at it and getting this [url="http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X1204USB.aspx"]http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X1204USB.aspx[/url] instead of the rackmount mixer as i can use this for home recording, gives me enough to mix the di and mic together. i know it seems like im spending money for little gain, but ive spent money on my cab and effects that i want to be heard you know, aslong as i tell the soundguy or gal what im doing then they can't get angry or confused. and i plan on sending it through flat so i wnt be eqing the signal i send to foh andy

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1388232213' post='2319700'] Now look here, if you're going to go all technical on us, we'll [i]never [/i]be able to help you..! ... [/quote] haha! i know right! from here on i cut out the technical jargon lol

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1388227108' post='2319598'] That`s a very good point - preconditioned bass eq. In one of my bands we have 2 basses, mine is a traditional old-school tone, the other is a twangy distorted tone. Even sending these tones to the desk via our pedals, we still have to go out front and say "no, they`re not both meant to sound the same" and get the desk to actually get our original sounds back. But then with so many bands on a bill, and with 15min changeovers you can`t blame a soundman for having a generic bass sound that fits well in the mix and works with the drums. [/quote] not at all, actually at our last gig (and kinda where this idea came from) they mic'd the cab and took a di from my head my sound check took about 2 secs i think he said he kept things pretty flat. he was using a big ish mic tho not a 57 so could it have been a directional mic ? as my amp was between the 2nd guitarist and drums? andy

If your sound is 'created' by the cab's characteristics, you need micing, I agree. I doubt, though, that this factor alone (ie: just the cab colouration...) justifies the somewhat extreme lengths you're going to. Give the bloke your 'dirty' DI, without the cab in the equation, and have confidence that he knows how to best get that through his FOH. totally forgot to say this, i trust that they know more about this than i do defiantly but we've all had the sound guys who tell us to change our eq's or have eq's in there mind for bass already . i actually think some guys might actually like it. andy