VTypeV4

I was hoping you were gonna say Cornwall as i'm heading that way in a few weeks.. Is postage an option, I'm willing to cover all costs plus a few quid to make ity worthwhile...?

How far down south are you? Don't worry about the threadjack, it's all relevant..

[URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/2241Fix2_zpsf0c57419.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/2241Fix2_zpsf0c57419.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Just before the final test this morning. I got a bit messy with the epoxy but the new dome is held fast and no-one can see the cone anyways. Sounded great with a bit of heavy kick-drum dance through it! [URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/2241Fix1_zps82f1a8f1.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/2241Fix1_zps82f1a8f1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] And this it reloaded into it's home now I've also finished the repairs to the cab which caused the driver damge in the first place. A lick of paint and a new grille and hopefully they'll upsetting people far and wide very soon! Thanks for the kind words Bert.

Does anyone know if they can be re-coned as a 2226H?

Well it seems that I might have just done it and broought it back from the brink. I'll post some pix tomorrow but after a week or so making adjustments with business cards as shims and some cheap n nasty nail polish remover on the spider that I've manged to 'pull it all over'. The problem was the former rubbing the inner pole peice as can be seen in the shim pic above. JBL state an Xmax of 7.8mm for this unit so whilst running in free air, I made a visual measurement of how far I can let the cone move before it complains. It rolled past what looked to be 15mm (ie + and - 7.5mm) without drama but approaching 20mm saw the beginnings of complaint and much beyond that, it sounded like the back plate being hammered by the voice coil former. I'm not sure what the Xmech of this driver to be but I'll assume it to be to be at least 50% greater than Xmax which would roughly tie in with the start of the unpleasnt noises. To be fair I've given the driver a 'worse than typical operations' scenario and probably won't run it as low or hard when it's loaded back into it's horn. 30Hz at around -3 dB on my Crest VS in bridge mode was where the driver began to complain. I could nearly drive it into clip above 40Hz before it got upset. So fingers crossed, I'll get some more work out it before it does anything daft again!

When I said TWO in good working order, I really meant just one.. Not to worry as it's cost me even less now! I'll put a pic up in a bit. [URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/JBL2225H_zps15d37fc2.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/JBL2225H_zps15d37fc2.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

+1 on giving the bottles a gentle tap.. Any instabilities with the valves themselves will quickly be apparent.

The 'white' you describe is probably the bulb on the HF protection circuit lighting up. A number of companies use the light bulb as a 'leak off rail' when too much power is sent into the HF network. The excess power is soaked up and lights the bulb instead of frying your HF device.

Could be interesting.. a 2x15 with a 6 pluf HF.. it'd cover everything I'd ever need! From what I've read, they're a tough old thing being one of the premium 15 inch drivers of their day.

Cheers chaps..

Modern driver technology, eh.. It's like magic! I haven't taken the step yet but my friend rob gets great results from the Markbass 4x6" cabs.. The 1x15 / bi-amp was just an example but as said, another cab would take a bit of pressure off your existing one even if the current drivers are still working within their capabilities..

Hey guys, I've just picked up a pair of these in good working order for a song.. Not sure what to use them for yet. I'm considering a hand built compact 2x15 + HF as one option. Or possibly a build a pair of Cubo 15" type subs for PA or even an oldskool compact folded horn..???? Like I said, not sure yet.. Just asking for opinions on these borderline vintage units? I'm sure they've been surpassed by modern and neo speakers, hell, even JBL themselves make the 2226H as an update.. Cheers, chaps and chapesses.

Does that GK head have a bi-amp facility? If so you could potentially get another cab to handle the lows more effectively (maybe a 1x15 with a modern long-excursion drive unit) and high-pass the 2x10 to protect the drivers whilst retaining that punch and clarity..

Average White Band: +1 on Pick up the Peices but also consider 'Person to Person' and 'Cut the Cake'.. Both still fantastic despite their age!

So I took the plunge.. We'll have to see! [URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/2241ReConeMaybe_zpsef970267.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/2241ReConeMaybe_zpsef970267.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Failing that, it'll have to be a risk on an after market or in FTR Celestion..

Bass Rigs: Ashton including speakers: £0.60 / w Trace Twin Valve Combo: £2.00 / w Listening & Pro-Audio Carver Pro PT2400: £0.01 / w (currently needing repair) Leak Stereo 20: £37.50 / w

Wow! Looks like I need another 20!

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1372979853' post='2132551'] Ah, but what a [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]crazy bass guitar rig it would be![/font][/color] [/quote] A true monster! Ha! It may have to be tried just for giggles..

Cheers chaps.. To be fair, I'm not massively concerned with keeping the 'JBL sound', I just want it to be reasonably loud and low without any unpleasant 'extras' so to speak.. As stated, I don't really have anything to lose as I guess it's a case of fix or make it worse but as it currently stands it's not really serviceable anyways. The Celestion I put in the one at work has now gone through it's run in / break in period. A week of normal use saw it out performing it's partner sub loaded with PD.918. The Celestion is probably the best driver out of all three mentioned here, it's certainly the most modern and it specs very well, outstripping both others. If the JBL does need a re-cone then so be it but as stated they are a lovely looking thing and if it could go back into service, that would be great. Back-breaking indeed but we have the transport and I'm still young(ish) for the time being! Ha! And just for the record, it's not a crazy bass guitar rig, it's the foundations of a big PA.. Sorry to disappoint!

Rolled up socks? i hadn't considered that.. Ha! I couldn't believe how expensive the genuine re-cone kit is.. Cheapest I could find was just shy of £200 but thankfully Bluearan do the aftermarket one.. I could believe even less the cost of a new 2241, cheapest I've found was £373, most expensive was £741!!!!! I could buy three Celestions for that!

Hey guys, i'm in the process of building a monster PA. I've picked these huge horns up very cheaply from a friend with a view to getting another pair built. They haven't been used for many years hence them being so cheap and whilst one works without fault, one had a bit of a rattle so I thought I'd investigate hoping it might be a loose driver or banging panel. [url="http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/BigJBL2_zps7618db0c.jpg.html"][/url] Quick test of both. One on the left works fine so will be re-finished and tidied up before it gets put into service. [url="http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/BigJBL1_zps6ae419ba.jpg.html"][/url] This is the faulty one recieving further attention. Please forgive my 'hi-tech' test rig! [url="http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/BigJBL3_zps7d638167.jpg.html"][/url] Further inspection found no loose or banging panels but I did find the big, heavy cast frame JBL secured by only three pins and a self tapping screw! The shame of it. On removing the driver I'm really sad to say it has the beginings of a coil rub. My question is [b][i]do you think I'll get away with old trick of dust cap off, little bit of forward voltage applied to the coil, some card shims and light smear of acetone on the spider to re-align it[/i][/b]? On some older Celestions and EVs I've simply removed the magnet and re-aligned them to cure the rub. I can't remove the magnet from the frame on the JBL so thats not an option. I like the JBL and it'd be great if I could get it back into service. An after-market re-cone isn't too bad at £65 but the genuine part is nearly as much as a new Celestion FTR that i've used in this application before. What d'ya think chaps and chapesses?

[quote name='Baxter' timestamp='1372370765' post='2125105'] Nothing special, a BL15-150. I had replaced the crappy busted blue speaker in my ashdown with a Bl15-300 a few years back, and I found it to be an excellent driver for the price. It sounded better and didn't choke on its own vomit after a couple of years! [/quote] Sounds like the right choice then! Ha! The Celestion in my Twin Valve combo is one of the best speakers I have used for bass guitar albeit probably just a low to mid level K series. I do think the automatic choice is to use Eminence and other companies -like Celestion- get over looked. Glad you're pleased with your rig, I have every faith it sounds as good as it looks.

Very cool indeed.. What Celestion have you used?

[quote name='longtimefred' timestamp='1372367107' post='2125032'] I have been using tung sol 6550s in my v type V4 for years, I love em and are rock solid. Bet they would sound great in a CL [/quote] +1 one the Tung Sol RI 6550s.. They sound great in this too.. [URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/BeavisChassis.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/BeavisChassis.jpg[/IMG][/URL] I've had good experiences with both the Shuguang and the EHX KT88s also..

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1371727460' post='2117377'] Thought of a better one ;Valve amps appear expensive because you aren't looking at the cheap ones. [/quote] My 300w Ashton rig (including 410 + 115 speakers) was the same price as you'll pick a 2nd hand VBA400 up for. I've had no issues in 2 years with it. Made in the East! [URL=http://s778.photobucket.com/user/VTypeV4/media/BV300RVW.jpg.html][IMG]http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/VTypeV4/BV300RVW.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1371712792' post='2117156'] Firstly because the world's supply of valve watts is being used up, and there are fewer and fewer of them about. Valve watts are grown organically in sheltered uplands, preferably on north-facing hillsides. Solid state watts are easily obtained (they use CNC machines to cut them out of large sheets of wattage) but they're not nearly as good as valve watts. Secondly because putting valve watts inside little glass bottles is more of an art than a science, and the skills just aren't there in the workplace any more. [/quote] Thats fantastic! Proper made me chuckle!