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I'll pitch in for the clanklicious Mr Squire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHl6sDLX8tQ

[quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1422218569' post='2670046'] Black Eagle reissue! Talman basses! Oh, and that Volvo, or Vulva or whatever it's called... Jon. [/quote] P.S. Looks like Ibanez are going right back to their heritage of borrowing ideas at the mo:[list] [*]Volo - Fodera Matt Garrison (not looks but concept - tuning, ramp, scale, etc.) [*]Black Eagle - Burns [*]Fanned fret - Dingwall [/list]

[size=4]OP: [color=#323232][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Advice on how to get this tone?[/font][/color][/size] [color=#323232][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Looks like a Lakland through a Mark Bass - good gear, good technique, well recorded...[/font][/color]

Like the look of the 33" Volo bass which with ramp, presumably is their take on a Fodera Matt Garrison? [url="http://www.ibanez.co.jp/eu/news/show/namm2015/index.html"]http://www.ibanez.co...2015/index.html[/url] And in action here: http://www.ibanez.co.jp/eu/news/f_products/2014/workshop/volo.html

Again?

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1421062117' post='2656615'] No instrument is bounded to a genre or a time frame. The 'Jaco' or 'Pino' styles of fretless playing are not the only 'schools' and the instrument has moved with the music. [/quote] Well I was being provocative but, in fairness, the sum total of this thread would suggest not. (I'll give you Mick Karn but that was 30 years ago.) As for the 'experimental fretless funk' and Tony Franklin, I see that less of a 'school' as a couple of bad cases of bass tourettes.

[quote name='cd_david' timestamp='1420905353' post='2654827'] If prefer my old one [/quote] Oh I see, you left your stash in it....

[size=4]> [color=#323232][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]fretless bass - what genre do you associate with[/font][/color][/size] [size=4][color=#323232][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Old ones! [/font][/color][/size]

A Show of Hands... they were well down the tubes by then! I signed up on the Permanent Waves tour - Deeside Leisure Centre, June 1980. Rick all the way!!!!!!!

Whole thing was a boring soul review. P.S. HNY everyone...

Bass Player live interview and a little bit of playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slJKsSWe9Y

[quote name='goblin' timestamp='1418855164' post='2634212'] Actually, the Streamer is a copy of the original Spector... [/quote] Yes - I was being ironic... both nice basses and re. the post topic, I think the USA made Spectors suffer from the same eye-watering pricing as the German made Warwicks. I bought second hand and got a nice late 80s Streamer standard from WarwickHunt for about £900. For the record, 'standard' in those days meant:[list] [*]German-made [*]Neck-through [*]EMG P-J [*]2-band [/list]

He seems an interesting player with some strong opinions... That aside, I always like this record with Steve Khan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FBGKb5Q-k First track especially when he 'introduces' his extended range bass...

[quote name='Damonjames' timestamp='1418312279' post='2629064'] Can't afford a new streamer stage ii??? Try this [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Spector_Euro5LX_SE_2014.html"]http://www.bassdirec...LX_SE_2014.html[/url] Build quality will burn anything warwick are churning out, besides the German made ones at least. (Ducking for cover hehehehe) [/quote] Tch... Warwick copy....

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1418606958' post='2631715'] ECM were good at promoting artists back then as well. I would imagine that artists on ECM reached a wider audience that they probably would through smaller labels. I've just been thinking of some of the leaders/groups i've seen live when they were on ECM at the time of the concert: Jan Garbarek, Dave Holland, Terje Rypdal, Keith Jarrett, Ralph Towner, Glen Moore, Eberhard Weber, John Abercrombie, Steve Swallow, Bill Connors, Arild Andersen, Colin Walcott, Kenny Wheeler, Gary Burton, Pat Metheny, John Taylor, Paul Motian, Gary Peacock, Don Cherry, Nana Vasconcelos, Mick Goodrick, Miroslav Vitous, Charlie Haden, Ed Blackwell, Egberto Gismonti, Chick Corea, Shankar, Lester Bowie, James Newton, Oregon, David Torn, Marc Johnson. I've lost touch with what ECM do now but that was an impressive roster back then. [/quote] Agree the main ECM goodwill and spaciousness. Let's not forget the best ECM IMHO - 'Bright Size Life'. And the worst!!!! 'The Epidemics' anyone???? L Shankar, Steve Vai and Percy Jones... should be great right? Oh man. Played it once after I bought it 25 years ago and ears still not recovered. [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1418639091' post='2631831'] sounded like a poor fretless player [/quote] Don't listen to any Steve Bailey whatever you do then.

Investigate Ed Friedland's books. (Gary Willis' too although they're more advanced.) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jazz-Bass-Ed-Friedland/dp/0793565170/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418382982&sr=1-6 Also check out Scott Bass Lessons YouTube channel and his advice on books specifically here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcnXcU-lEog&list=UUWTj3vCqkQIsrTGSm4kM34g And finally to learn Jazz I'd say transcribe... a lot!

Looks like a great bass. Enjoy. 1 more string works so well for bass in terms of how scales and modes fold out over the lower strings. So much potential for adding those thirds below to make boring triads into a gorgeous tetra-chord 7th. Key difference is YOUR psychology so get practising those scales over all the strings. P.S. I my experience Yamaha basses are built like tanks so you're on a journey with this one!

Good heavens! * Replaces monocle that's just popped out *

Now in available in a 5 too... http://www.ibanez.co.jp/usa/news/f_products/2014/workshop/terrafirma.html

Cheap as chips - although it'll probably the same price in £s if it ever makes it over here. Good way of testing out multiscale before laying out £3k+ on a Dingbat...

[quote name='dincz' timestamp='1416771512' post='2613438'] Nice! Her voice has a lot more "body" to it than I expected. [/quote] I agree - a whole register lower than I expected... Wow... she could really somewhere with that voice... (but she needs to ditch bass 'cause that roots her in 20th C muso hell.)

[quote name='Dazed' timestamp='1416678399' post='2612602'] And another.... Ain't no mountain high enough [media]http://youtu.be/kAT3aVj-A_E[/media] [/quote] God that was good... PS Mentioned before but here with link and well worth a listen is Squire's masterful 'Heart of the Sunrise' with his grit-tone of death.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwhMw5lwzNg

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1415624577' post='2602050'] I have never been impressed by this guy. Doesn't seem very 'together' as a player to me. Lots of 'wicketty woo' but not a great deal of content. Please signpost me to anything that proves me wrong. [/quote] Try this... [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6BB_rs5S4"]https://www.youtube....h?v=Lh6BB_rs5S4[/url] Solo comes in at about 1:50

I'd just play it straight as you've described... It sounds like its had good quality parts including Duncans.. If the work's been done well, if plays well and has a good tone, then that's fine. So it's a mongrel with a good pedigree... Just don't bill it as something it's not.

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1415279181' post='2598680'] For me, Chris Squire's sound has always been one which makes me go 'wow'. Other bass sounds that I love include Jaco, Bruford era Jeff Berlin (hate his sound now), Jimmy Johnson, Steve Swallow and Anthony Jackson. I never really tried to emulate the tone of any of this group, though. [/quote] Squire usually gets a good tone... although some albums he's killed by the mix - Topographic and Relayer cases in point: killer playing but mushy. Fragile however is just stunning in terms of his tone and presentation in the mix. Agree with the Jeff Berlin point - he had that lovely P-Bass Barts sound on Bruford and also Holdsworth's Road Games; the latter really show-casing his dense chordal playing really well. Today however, he's just got this sour chorus tone. Lovely Jimmy Johnson too who get's that cavernous Alembic fundamental tone. I think this comes out best on Chad Wackerman's first solo album, also with Allan Holdsworth. Steve Swallow's got that weird Parker & felt pick thing going on. Anthony Jackson for me is a bit 'emperor's new clothes'. Sometimes I think he ain't that good and then I think maybe he is. Currently I'm erring towards astounding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rxYw7Y45Eo