What are your irrational prejudices? I have some bonkers ones...

[bnt]

31 minutes ago, itu said:

The point is that with the buffered mixing you get the sound of individual pickups, not their electrical interaction. No matter in which position the pots are. I see too many variables in hi-Z blend+vol, and the tone on top of that. 

 

EMG has a few circuits of which the cheapest are just pots. But their systems include active mixing, too. 

Yep - the EMG circuits are comparable to how analog mixers work: buffer / boost weak signals first, then you can mix them with less noise, degradation or signal interaction. The EMG pots are 25kΩ, vs. the 250-500 kΩ used in passive circuits. 

[tauzero]

4 hours ago, RhythmJunky said:

 

That was an interesting Christmas present. Was she under the tree or wrapped separately ?  

 

It was due to a Christmas card from the drummer.

[petecarlton]

3 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

It was due to a Christmas card from the drummer.

More please! 

[Stub Mandrel]

12 hours ago, Woodinblack said:

the noise be an issue, even with 6" of shielded cable,

 

Ah... but that's what I don't agree with. There are plenty of passive low-z pickups out there used in active basses and they aren't associatedwith noise issues.

 

 

[Stub Mandrel]

10 hours ago, itu said:

. I see too many variables in hi-Z blend+vol, and the tone on top of that. 

 

 

That makes it seem like you are arguing that less tonal flexibility is better.

[tauzero]

8 hours ago, petecarlton said:

More please! 

 

Unbeknownst to the then current Mrs Zero, I had started seeing the then future Mrs Zero, a former girlfriend that I had re-encountered 25 years after she split up with me (at her dad's insistence). The then current Mrs Zero (Mrs Zero 2) never came to any of my gigs, and so the now current Mrs Zero (Mrs Zero 3) came along to them and became friends with the band and wives. The drummer gave us (by hand) a Christmas card which said "To Mike and Kaz" inside, and Mrs Zero 2 opened it. It was at this point (rather than after Christmas, which was my original plan) that I decided I should move out and move in with Mrs Zero 3.

 

Ah yes, not-so-irrational prejudices: alcoholic wives.

[Woodinblack]

2 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Ah... but that's what I don't agree with. There are plenty of passive low-z pickups out there used in active basses and they aren't associatedwith noise issues.

 

Not low-z like the EMGs are though. obviously the main issue with those isn't noise, the main issue is that they would just be completely useless without a preamp / buffer, so why bother having an external preamp.

[petecarlton]

1 hour ago, tauzero said:

 

Unbeknownst to the then current Mrs Zero, I had started seeing the then future Mrs Zero, a former girlfriend that I had re-encountered 25 years after she split up with me (at her dad's insistence). The then current Mrs Zero (Mrs Zero 2) never came to any of my gigs, and so the now current Mrs Zero (Mrs Zero 3) came along to them and became friends with the band and wives. The drummer gave us (by hand) a Christmas card which said "To Mike and Kaz" inside, and Mrs Zero 2 opened it. It was at this point (rather than after Christmas, which was my original plan) that I decided I should move out and move in with Mrs Zero 3.

 

Ah yes, not-so-irrational prejudices: alcoholic wives.

I’m a three-timer myself. Finally got it right!

[itu]

6 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

That makes it seem like you are arguing that less tonal flexibility is better.

Let's put it this way: 

1) I want to change volume and volume only. Not tone. 

2) I want to change treble and keep it that way, no matter at which volume, or blend setting. 

List goes on. If any adjustment affects other adjustments, it does not work right. Tonal flexibility means that I can rely on what is happening when I dial my sound from the bass. 

 

Would you buy a mixer where changes in level and balance make changes to the equalizer? 

 

[If "passive" means £5 parts (excluding pickups), and "active" means £10 tone stack and a £2 battery holder to the bass, me want more. A. Jackson removed all sound degrading components between the pickup and the studio board for reason.] 

[Dad3353]

24 minutes ago, itu said:

Let's put it this way: 

1) I want to change volume and volume only. Not tone. 

2) I want to change treble and keep it that way, no matter at which volume, or blend setting. 

List goes on. If any adjustment affects other adjustments, it does not work right. Tonal flexibility means that I can rely on what is happening when I dial my sound from the bass. 

 

Would you buy a mixer where changes in level and balance make changes to the equalizer? 

 

[If "passive" means £5 parts (excluding pickups), and "active" means £10 tone stack and a £2 battery holder to the bass, me want more. A. Jackson removed all sound degrading components between the pickup and the studio board for reason.] 

 

Perceived tone will change with a volume change, that's just in the physiological functioning of human ears. I realise, of course, that some musicians do not seem to have human ears (or, at least, human hearing...). There is no 'magic bullet' that compensates 'automatically' to keep it all 'as one wants it'; some adjustment around the original change is most often required, or acceptance that it's changed, and it's fine. 
(Disclaimer : I'm a drummer, so what would I know ..?)

Edited 6 hours ago by Dad3353

[itu]

OK, I studied acoustics and electronics in the university. Worked in a broadcasting company. Did a digital audio and video testing handbook to the service personnel in the company with some help from BBC, as well as wrote a short handbook about MPEG-2 in the 90's while very few of you had even heard about audio coding or audio codecs, like MPEG-1 layer 3 (MP3) which is included in the MPEG-2.

 

I may understand sound and perception a little bit, thank you. 

[ghostwheel]

Yours is better than his then.

[Dad3353]

18 minutes ago, itu said:

OK, I studied acoustics ...

 

No need to get excited, though. I was just pointing out that adjusting any one setting does change the perception of the overall sound, so touching at 'treble' (or whatever...) would naturally lead to touching elsewhere, such as volume, to compensate. The overall sound changes if one changes any single element of that sound. That's all. Peace. 

[Stub Mandrel]

5 hours ago, itu said:

Let's put it this way: 

1) I want to change volume and volume only. Not tone. 

2) I want to change treble and keep it that way, no matter at which volume, or blend setting. 

List goes on. If any adjustment affects other adjustments, it does not work right. Tonal flexibility means that I can rely on what is happening when I dial my sound from the bass. 

 

Would you buy a mixer where changes in level and balance make changes to the equalizer? 

 

[If "passive" means £5 parts (excluding pickups), and "active" means £10 tone stack and a £2 battery holder to the bass, me want more. A. Jackson removed all sound degrading components between the pickup and the studio board for reason.] 

 

So you swap flexibility for predictability, which is a wholly rational choice if that suits your needs.

[Woodinblack]

31 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

I was just pointing out that adjusting any one setting does change the perception of the overall sound

 

Yes, but in a passive system, changing the volume does actually change the EQ, not just the perception of it.