Danny Sapko discovers… (now including follow up vid that is worse!)

[Hellzero]

1 hour ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Some live stuff in this video.
 

 

This guy can't play, that's awful! 🤢🤮

[Burns-bass]

Internet innit.

 

People have made creating terrible videos into a career. I don’t really watch YouTube, if I’m honest, but if I saw any of these it’s pretty self evident they’re fake BS.

The kind of faux outrage is what it is. People seem personally upset because I guess the my assume that because they’ve seen the videos they have some kind of relationship with them.

 

I find all this a bit weird.

[BabyBlueSound]

7 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Internet innit.

 

People have made creating terrible videos into a career. I don’t really watch YouTube, if I’m honest, but if I saw any of these it’s pretty self evident they’re fake BS.

The kind of faux outrage is what it is. People seem personally upset because I guess the my assume that because they’ve seen the videos they have some kind of relationship with them.

 

I find all this a bit weird.

 

Sigh. Like it's been stated about 9000 times here, it's not about the fakery. It's about the intellectual and actual property theft, the copyright infringement, and the fact that he's doubling down and continues ro make money on Insta, continues to sell the stolen stuff, etc.

 

I guess we can't be upset about blatant disgusting thieves any more without assumptions about what we're assuming? 😁 

 

It's so obvious when someone doesn't even read the topic they respond to.

[Beedster]

On 07/05/2025 at 11:20, BabyBlueSound said:

 

Just... read some, man. It was never about the pretending part.

 

49 minutes ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

It's so obvious when someone doesn't even read the topic they respond to.

 

 

You looking for an argument @BabyBlueSound?  

 

OK for you this thread is about the theft, but for others it's as much about the fakery/pretending part, as are some of the videos posted. It's a discussion forum, people will take that discussion wherever they want to take it, and personally, like @Burns-bass I find the fakery of this whole space the disappointing not because stealing of IP has always been there in music (as it is everywhere, it doesn't make it right but neither does it surprise me), but because I think of a whole generation of aspiring kids who will never be able to achieve the techniques they aspire to from watching these videos because no one can actually play half the stuff in them    

 

What DOES surprise me is that the fakery had not been called out sooner because looking at some of the videos it's so obvious 🤔

 

[Burns-bass]

1 hour ago, BabyBlueSound said:

 

Sigh. Like it's been stated about 9000 times here, it's not about the fakery. It's about the intellectual and actual property theft, the copyright infringement, and the fact that he's doubling down and continues ro make money on Insta, continues to sell the stolen stuff, etc.

 

I guess we can't be upset about blatant disgusting thieves any more without assumptions about what we're assuming? 😁 

 

It's so obvious when someone doesn't even read the topic they respond to.

*Sigh*
 

I’ve read all the replies.

 

This isn’t about that it’s about chasing clicks. It’d bandwagon jumping from content creators who are, ironically, using the downfall of this guy to build their own channels.

 

 

[Burns-bass]

2 minutes ago, Beedster said:

 

 

 

You looking for an argument @BabyBlueSound?  

 

OK for you this thread is about the theft, but for others it's as much about the fakery/pretending part, as are some of the videos posted. It's a discussion forum, people will take that discussion wherever they want to take it, and personally, like @Burns-bass I find the fakery of this whole space the disappointing not because stealing of IP has always been there in music (as it is everywhere, it doesn't make it right but neither does it surprise me), but because I think of a whole generation of aspiring kids who will never be able to achieve the techniques they aspire to from watching these videos because no one can actually play half the stuff in them    

 

What DOES surprise me is that the fakery had not been called out sooner because looking at some of the videos it's so obvious 🤔

 

No need for an argument. I work with the general public so patronising and condescending replies from people who have no idea who I am and what I know are part of every day.

 

Hopefully I’ve clarified my point above.

 

Ironicallly, had they he read through the thread they would have seen that I’d made the exact same point myself.

 

Whats happening now is that all these other of tent creators (none of whom are directly affected) are jumping in to share their views. It’s perpetuating the outrage to generate revenue for their channels.

 

[Beedster]

1 minute ago, Burns-bass said:

*Sigh*
 

I’ve read all the replies.

 

This isn’t about that it’s about chasing clicks. It’d bandwagon jumping from content creators who are, ironically, using the downfall of this guy to build their own channels.

 

 

 

....many of whom, I suspect, we aware of what the guy was up to, and some of who are probably doing the same - fakery and theft - albeit at a less industrial scale  

 

[Burns-bass]

This kid has made a mistake.

 

I wonder if any one of these guys has reached out to him and asked if he’s ok?

 

He’s a real person. A flawed one for sure and one who’s probably very ashamed at what he’s done. But he’s in a vulnerable spot.

 

Maybe that’ll be the next video, eh?

[Stub Mandrel]

35 minutes ago, Burns-bass said:

This kid has made a mistake.

 

I wonder if any one of these guys has reached out to him and asked if he’s ok?

 

He’s a real person. A flawed one for sure and one who’s probably very ashamed at what he’s done. But he’s in a vulnerable spot.

 

Maybe that’ll be the next video, eh?

 

On 07/05/2025 at 09:43, Stub Mandrel said:

It fascinates me to see this.

 

Social mediais awash with ripped off content, rarely with acknowledgement of the original creator beyond cynical and meaningless disclaimer statements.

 

What appears different here is not reposting someone's work, but studiously reproducing it and putting it out there as original.

 

Thevthing I don't get is the guy is clearly talented. Even if he doesn't reach Rick Beato's gold standard and relies on editing tricks, he can learn and play complex music well enough.

 

It seems he struggles to improvise or create at even a relatively basic level (even the level we do).

 

It's reminiscent of the phenomenon known as the 'idiot savant' - ability without understanding (I'm not saying he's an idiot, though he may be a fool).

 

There are hints of other psychological issues around disregard for others or lack of consideration. Presumably his instagram started small, and its growth may be driven more by his personal needs rather than base greed.

 

He may be dealing with a range of issues that don't excuse what he's done but provide an explanation.

 

[TimR]

35 minutes ago, Burns-bass said:

This kid has made a mistake.

 

I wonder if any one of these guys has reached out to him and asked if he’s ok?

 

He’s a real person. A flawed one for sure and one who’s probably very ashamed at what he’s done. But he’s in a vulnerable spot.

 

Maybe that’ll be the next video, eh?

 

My understanding is he was called out about it a long time ago. Showed no signs of reining in, and just doubled down. 

[Beer of the Bass]

I watched a couple of the videos. The part that makes me feel old is the way all the plagiarism was from other primarily online content creators, and not some of the gigging, record creating players who originated those jazz/funk/fusion styles. Even ignoring the ethical aspect, something about that just sort of leaves me cold. Like it's a gamer mentality applied to music.

Edited 9 hours ago by Beer of the Bass

[Beedster]

Fame an status are addictions, usually less tangible than to a substance and usually less damaging than to gambling, but just as easy to get caught out by and for a small number of people catastrophic. You only have to look at the Love Island phenomenon to see the damage that can be done  

[tegs07]

I watched the content. I think I am just too old to understand the TikTok generation. Boxers that can’t really box, musicians that could be replaced by AI and extremely smug and irritating presenters. I guess it’s a DIY approach and back in the day old farts like me said the same thing about Punk? Whatever its all the equivalent to junk food for me. I guess it has a purpose for busy people with a bewildering amount of other distractions but it’s all a bit pointless.

 

A snake oil salesman got caught selling snake oil to people who want snake oil IMO. Bloke is a tit but IMO so are the people that consume this stuff.

[Beedster]

2 minutes ago, Beer of the Bass said:

I watched a couple of the videos. The part that makes me feel old is the way all the plagiarism was from other primarily online content creators, and not some of the gigging, record creating players who originated those jazz/funk/fusion styles. Even ignoring the ethical aspect, something about that just sort of leaves me cold.

 

I think there's an element of personal responsibility missing here also, if you put content online and that content is either not protected or you choose not to enforce protection when it is, while you are not to blame per se, but you are leaving yourself open to plagiarism, because where there's content of any sort, there's plagiarism 

[Beedster]

1 minute ago, tegs07 said:

A snake oil salesman got caught selling snake oil to people who want snake oil IMO

 

Nicely put @tegs07  

[Burns-bass]

30 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

I watched the content. I think I am just too old to understand the TikTok generation. Boxers that can’t really box, musicians that could be replaced by AI and extremely smug and irritating presenters. I guess it’s a DIY approach and back in the day old farts like me said the same thing about Punk? Whatever its all the equivalent to junk food for me. I guess it has a purpose for busy people with a bewildering amount of other distractions but it’s all a bit pointless.

 

A snake oil salesman got caught selling snake oil to people who want snake oil IMO. Bloke is a tit but IMO so are the people that consume this stuff.

 

Much better way of saying it than mine.

[kwmlondon]

I am thinking about recording a reaction video to all of these reactions to the reactions to the reactions to the original Danny Sapko video. What do you think?

[Cato]

One of the many quirks of the human brain is that the emotion of moral outrage stimulates dopamine production, which , in very basic terms, rewards the person experiencing that emotion by making them feel nice, even at the same time that they are angry.

 

The tabloids cottoned on to this many years ago and social media is equally  aware. Stoking outrage is a proven way to generate interest from people who at some level know it's going to give them that dopamine hit.

 

Of course it's also absolutely natural to feel those emotions when somebody clearly trangresses the normal moral and ethical boundaries, but whenever you get a huge mass public outpouring of outrage it's always worth considering whether the original transgression really warrants that extensive reaction (of course, sometimes as in the case of say, terrorist attrocities it clearly does)  or whether , essentially, people are just enjoying the dopmine high at this point.

 

And whether those continuing to stoke said outrage, in this case more than a month after the transgressions came to light, really care, or are they just cynically jumping on the bandwagon for guaranteed clicks and likes and, in some cases, financial rewards.

[tinyd]

My general old-person take on a lot of contemporary online "influencer" stuff is the complete lack of boundaries between authenticity and just selling stuff. Of course, this has always happened, but from talking to younger people (e.g. my kids) I think that there's no longer even a pretence that there is a line between somebody doing or telling you something that's real versus them making money.

[kwmlondon]

1 minute ago, Cato said:

One of the many quirks of the human brain is that the emotion of moral outrage stimulates dopamine production, which , in very basic terms, rewards the person experiencing that emotion by making them feel nice, even at the same time that they are angry.

 

The tabloids cottoned on to this many years ago and social media is equally  aware. Stoking outrage is a proven way to generate interest from people who at some level know it's going to give them that dopamine hit.

 

Of course it's also absolutely natural to feel those emotions when somebody clearly trangresses the normal moral and ethical boundaries, but whenever you get a huge mass public outpouring of outrage it's always worth considering whether the original transgression really warrants that extensive reaction (of course, sometimes as in the case of say, terrorist attrocities it clearly does)  or whether , essentially, people are just enjoying the dopmine high at this point.

 

And whether those continuing to stoke said outrage, in this case more than a month after the transgressions came to light, really care, or are they just cynically jumping on the bandwagon for guaranteed clicks and likes and, in some cases, financial rewards.

I couldn't put it better (I mean, that, if I tried to say the same thing, it would not make sense), and I very much agree. It's also really resonant with the zeitgeist right now. Streaming services have upended the record industry, live music is in crisis with Ticketmaster in control of most of the big venues and events and medium venues closing down alarmingly, MTv just went off air, AI is scouring all creative material so it can reproduce our art... it feels like we're out of control so pehraps the whole Giacomo scandal is really giving vent to a lot of frusration and anger about a changing musical landscape.

[Dood]

9 minutes ago, tinyd said:

My general old-person take on a lot of contemporary online "influencer" stuff is the complete lack of boundaries between authenticity and just selling stuff. Of course, this has always happened, but from talking to younger people (e.g. my kids) I think that there's no longer even a pretence that there is a line between somebody doing or telling you something that's real versus them making money.

 

At the risk of skating dangerously close to politics, the mainstream media news outlets and governments, it's not as if anyone is setting an example there either. They don't even care if they straight up lie. This behaviour is so ingrained it has become the norm.  

Social media is a toxic dump overwhelmed with the likes of the Turras, the thirst traps, the desperate for validation, the click-baiters, those who sell their pound of flesh under the pretence their channel is about quality content.. More and more, I really don't feel I have a place here.

Speaking of which, for some reason the algorithm served up some "relationship mentoring" (pffft) videos the other day and the subjects were almost gleeful in cheating on their partners. WTaF? - Cheating, fakery, lying, lacking integrity.. Good for the soul apparently? Good for the stats..

Stop the world... 

 

[TimR]

 

 

[Dood]

1 minute ago, TimR said:

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Lol, Caption this video thumbnail!
 

[chriswareham]

2 hours ago, Dood said:

 

Lol, Caption this video thumbnail!
 

 Way ahead of you: