Barefaced Three10 Teaser: Anybody Know More?

[asingardenof]

15 hours ago, BassmanPaul said:

That is an over simplification. Tube amps give a pleasing  distortion when pushed too far.  If a cabinet is rated for 750W you need at least that much to make it 'sing'. 

I wasn't trying to be comprehensive

[Chienmortbb]

17 hours ago, BassmanPaul said:

That is an over simplification. Tube amps give a pleasing  distortion when pushed too far.  If a cabinet is rated for 750W you need at least that much to make it 'sing'. 

Valve amps have little magic but many components that tend to distort/compress in a musically pleasing way when pushed hard. A valve amp rated at say 100 watts RMS, at 0.1% distortion can only give 141.4 watts RMS when fully driven into distortion (i.e.close to a square wave). Also a bass cabinet should not be driver close to its thermal rating. If you push a speaker so hard that it "colours" the sound, you are probably close to blowing it.

[chris_b]

17 hours ago, BassmanPaul said:

. . . .  If a cabinet is rated for 750W you need at least that much to make it 'sing'. 

 

You, your bass and your amp should be creating your sound. The cab should be distributing that sound to your audience not changing it.

[Musicman20]

4 hours ago, chris_b said:

 

You, your bass and your amp should be creating your sound. The cab should be distributing that sound to your audience not changing it.

 

Depends, I actually really like the colour the Aguilar DB cabs add to a sound, more so the DB12/DB212.

[fretmeister]

6 hours ago, chris_b said:

 

You, your bass and your amp should be creating your sound. The cab should be distributing that sound to your audience not changing it.

 

The cab is part of the tone generation. That's why there are different choices. Amps sound vastly different with different cabs.

 

FRFR cabs are relatively new in the bass world.

[stevie]

There are two camps on this issue. The first sees the bass as an electric guitar, where the speaker is responsible in part for the electric guitar's sound. The second believes that the bass guitar has more in common with the double bass, which needs an accurate, uncoloured reproduction system when amplified.

 

 

 

[BassAdder60]

Just ordered the BF310 cab ! 
 

Black grille plus cover 👍

[fretmeister]

Nice!

[bassman7755]

On 21/05/2024 at 19:40, stevie said:

There are two camps on this issue. The first sees the bass as an electric guitar, where the speaker is responsible in part for the electric guitar's sound. The second believes that the bass guitar has more in common with the double bass, which needs an accurate, uncoloured reproduction system when amplified.

 

I think the first camp in exists large part because in times past (say 20 to 30 years ago) it was the only economically viable one for most people unless you were going to say import some Acme LowB's at eye watering cost. Of course some people like the sound of "bass" speakers (the intended audience of the BF 10 range) but I'm not one of them, I want my bass to sound like it does though headphone or my computer/studio setup floor standers which I use when practicing.

 

The other point is that many people who think they need the bass speaker sound probably don't once they have heard a properly setup and EQed FRFR type setup and there are a whole bunch of advantages that come with this such as your DI (and thus monitors and FoH) having the same tone as what you are hearing.

Edited May 29 by bassman7755

[BassAdder60]

For myself and my mostly rock material I play, the warmer 10’s seemed the logical choice compared to the 12’s

 

I play a PBass with a pick so I don’t need any additional clarity but I need warmth and depth and a smooth tone. 
 

The 310 seems the logical one cab solution to have the power yet sensible on stage size and ease of transport. 
 

 

Edited May 29 by BassAdder60

[chris_b]

50 minutes ago, BassAdder60 said:

For myself and my mostly rock material I play, the warmer 10’s seemed the logical choice compared to the 12’s

 

I play a PBass with a pick so I don’t need any additional clarity but I need warmth and depth and a smooth tone. 
 

The 310 seems the logical one cab solution to have the power yet sensible on stage size and ease of transport. 
 

 

 

I also need warmth, depth and a smooth tone in my sound. That's why I use Aguilar amps, a Lull PJ5 and a Sadowsky Jazz.

 

I get all the warmth etc from those guys and don't need any colouration from the cabs.

 

I'm sure your 310 will sound great.

[fretmeister]

there's a million ways to get the right tone. Probably thousands of ways to get the same tone.

 

I like what the BF 10 inch cabs do to my tone, but I also really like the DI from my Mark Bass head, just with a load of compression on it too.

To my ears, Ashdowns and Ampegs need the cab to sound right to me. Mark Bass sound right to me without a cab at all.

 

It's all good.

 

I both want a Three10T and also want to not need it!  

[bassist_lewis]

After a month of owning the Three10, here is my review.

 

Construction

Predictably solid. It's only been gigged twice, but I gigged the hell out of a Super Compact for 10 years, so I expect this to be the same. The wheels on the bottom make moving it dead easy, and the handles on the top and sides make it easy to manoeuvre when the wheels won't do. I'm still in two minds whether to get a cover for it.

 

Sound

I had a One10 until very recently and enjoyed that tone, so I knew roughly what I was going to get. The sound is very deep and warm without getting muddy. I use flats on pretty much all my basses, so I'm not chasing a super bright and detailed tone, but I get excellent definition and clarity from the cab. I did ask for it to have a tweeter, in case I missed the top end. However, I'm finding I usually have it all the way off, or maybe at 50%. In terms of volume it has fair solved the issues I was having before of not being able to hear myself on gigs, being both taller and having more speaker area.

 

Conclusion

It's a great sounding cab and it's easy to transport (fits in the back of my Fiesta with room for everything else), which is about all I ask of a cab. It is perhaps a little more expensive than other brands, but it is a small company, and frankly I can't think of anything that is a direct comparison in terms of features and performance.

[ossyrocks]

1 hour ago, bassist_lewis said:

After a month of owning the Three10, here is my review.

 

Construction

Predictably solid. It's only been gigged twice, but I gigged the hell out of a Super Compact for 10 years, so I expect this to be the same. The wheels on the bottom make moving it dead easy, and the handles on the top and sides make it easy to manoeuvre when the wheels won't do. I'm still in two minds whether to get a cover for it.

 

Sound

I had a One10 until very recently and enjoyed that tone, so I knew roughly what I was going to get. The sound is very deep and warm without getting muddy. I use flats on pretty much all my basses, so I'm not chasing a super bright and detailed tone, but I get excellent definition and clarity from the cab. I did ask for it to have a tweeter, in case I missed the top end. However, I'm finding I usually have it all the way off, or maybe at 50%. In terms of volume it has fair solved the issues I was having before of not being able to hear myself on gigs, being both taller and having more speaker area.

 

Conclusion

It's a great sounding cab and it's easy to transport (fits in the back of my Fiesta with room for everything else), which is about all I ask of a cab. It is perhaps a little more expensive than other brands, but it is a small company, and frankly I can't think of anything that is a direct comparison in terms of features and performance.

Thanks for the review - deep, warm, definition, clarity, all good. Mine should be here in a few weeks. I've ordered it without a tweeter, I won't need it. I've also had a few of their 10" offerings and am currently running a Super Compact. I can't wait to have their 10" tone in a bigger cab!

 

Rob

[ossyrocks]

I've just been told my 3x10 should be ready to ship by mid/late next week !

 

I ordered it on 7th May, so the 6-8 weeks lead time they quote is pretty accurate. In my case, more like 6 weeks.

 

Rob

[OldB]

On 13/05/2024 at 12:10, Obrienp said:

I suspect there are quite a few fingers hovering near triggers

Your suspicions are right...

[Mickyk]

Been checking out BF both on here and on their Web page and to be honest I think I'll  be looking at getting one but not sure which one to go for. I am using an Ashdown Mag 300 115 combo at present and have done for the last 4 years which has served me well  with doing smaller gigs in pubs.But we seem to be evolving into a Party type band doing Disco and funk type stuff. Anyway I am finding I need to upgrade to something with a bit more punch.So before  I start pressing buttons I thought i'd ask you lads.?So with this in mind ?what would you guys recommend I look at.

Edited Friday at 22:58 by Mickyk

[bassist_lewis]

6 hours ago, Mickyk said:

Been checking out BF both on here and on their Web page and to be honest I think I'll  be looking at getting one but not sure which one to go for. I am using an Ashdown Mag 300 115 combo at present and have done for the last 4 years which has served me well  with doing smaller gigs in pubs.But we seem to be evolving into a Party type band doing Disco and funk type stuff. Anyway I am finding I need to upgrade to something with a bit more punch.So before  I start pressing buttons I thought i'd ask you lads.?So with this in mind ?what would you guys recommend I look at.

A Super Compact or possibly Super Twin will cover a lot of ground and be louder than your Ashdown. Their 12XN speaker is designed not to colour your sound, making it a blank slate (of sorts) to cover the variety of tones you'll need in that type of band. I used a Super Compact for about 10 years and its a great do it all cab, and very easy to move around. Note you'll need to get an amp too, which will have an impact on your tone.

[Reggaebass]

7 hours ago, Mickyk said:

Been checking out BF both on here and on their Web page and to be honest I think I'll  be looking at getting one but not sure which one to go for. I am using an Ashdown Mag 300 115 combo at present and have done for the last 4 years which has served me well  with doing smaller gigs in pubs.But we seem to be evolving into a Party type band doing Disco and funk type stuff. Anyway I am finding I need to upgrade to something with a bit more punch.So before  I start pressing buttons I thought i'd ask you lads.?So with this in mind ?what would you guys recommend I look at.

Hi mick, if you haven’t already this thread might be worth a look, I use a big baby ll gen 3 and its quite light, very powerful and clean sounding 

 

 

[Obrienp]

@Mickyk The advice above is for FRFR cabs. If you are going down that route, checkout the offerings from LFSys. There are threads on BC about them. They will give you a very tight bottom end with all the mids and highs you could want. They just reproduce what you put into them without any colouration. Also the compression driver doesn’t give you that brittle, quacky sound that you get from some tweeters.

Edited 19 hours ago by Obrienp

[Mickyk]

5 hours ago, bassist_lewis said:

A Super Compact or possibly Super Twin will cover a lot of ground and be louder than your Ashdown. Their 12XN speaker is designed not to colour your sound, making it a blank slate (of sorts) to cover the variety of tones you'll need in that type of band. I used a Super Compact for about 10 years and its a great do it all cab, and very easy to move around. Note you'll need to get an amp too, which will have an impact on your tone.

Thank you Lewis,since you have mentioned Amps, Do you have any ideas what type of Amp might suit the type of Tone i need to be looking for,?

[bassist_lewis]

4 hours ago, Mickyk said:

Thank you Lewis,since you have mentioned Amps, Do you have any ideas what type of Amp might suit the type of Tone i need to be looking for,?

In my humble opinion, there's no such thing as an 'Amp for Metal' or an 'Amp for Funk'. It's a lot about how you play the instrument and a little bit about how you set up the amp (if at all, I personally set the EQ flat, or a dip at 300Hz). Getting one you like the sound of is more important. I would try to play as many amps as you can, and/or watch reviews/demos.

[ossyrocks]

11 minutes ago, bassist_lewis said:

........ I would try to play as many amps as you can........

 

@Mickyk I have adopted this approach, but I just bought my 8th bass amp this week. Having said that, if you buy secondhand, you can usually move them on for similar money to what you paid. In fact, the only new amp I've bought is the one I got this week, the Ashdown RM800, and that was because it was heavily discounted on the Ashdown website.

 

Rob