andytoad Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 [quote name='ras52' timestamp='1453905122' post='2964043'] Can I be the first to suggest that a pair of jugs may be a more attractive proposition? [/quote] Like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skychaserhigh Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If the venue won't pay I proper and agreed fee then I don't play. I've had enough of being expected to play for next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casapete Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Haven't seen this around here for a long time. The pub where I play do run a weekly raffle, with the profits from that helping to pay for the band. We've held down a Thursday residency now for eight years, so can't be that much of a financial burden. The thing with the bar profit percentage scenario is that it's asking the band to in effect bear the 'risk' of playing there, which surely is down to the landlord / pub as it's their business. Okay, if it's a busy night then the band benefits, but why should they lose out if it's not, when this could be down to factors beyond their control i.e poor promotion, lousy beer etc? Just sayin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Things seem to be getting a bit confused. All of the venues where we play except this one pay a fee, some pay a smaller fee and then pass the jug - primarily smaller venues. The 15% thing is a new one on me, and the venue in question, which both Mykesbass and I have payed at regularly (us for a long time before the current guy took over which is about 18 months ago: can't speak for Mkyesbass about that) has only just started that as a policy. It always used to pay a fee. I can certainly see, as JTUK says, that some bands will drop it s a venue: It wouldn't surprise me at all, and it will be the better bands so the whole thing has the potential to turn into a downward spiral. It would be a shame as it's a nice place to play.I also agree with Casapete's comments. The main point was that as the jug is an established local practice, if people start to pay and more at the bar by debit card, and come out with no cash things will have to change. The venues will be reluctant, but if they won't up their fee, and the jug values drop so the bands don't want to play there it will probably mean less venues. Not good. As for the "Why aren't you in an originals band then" comment form LayDownThaFunk: WTF has that got to do with he price of fish? You, Sir, are clearly a troll and I don't propose to enter into any further comment tennis with you on this subject or any other. Life's too short. As is probably a certain part of your anatomy. (Sorry, Mods - couldn't help myself). Edited January 29, 2016 by phil.c60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I've only come across this situation once in my gigging career so far. I found the "jug" bearers uncomfortably aggressive and was glad I was in one of the bands playing and not being bothered by them. At one point we had to go a rescue our driver/roadie from their attentions. I would be very reluctant to play a gig like that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownThaFunk Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 [quote name='phil.c60' timestamp='1454079501' post='2966250'] Things seem to be getting a bit confused. All of the venues where we play except this one pay a fee, some pay a smaller fee and then pass the jug - primarily smaller venues. The 15% thing is a new one on me, and the venue in question, which both Mykesbass and I have payed at regularly (us for a long time before the current guy took over which is about 18 months ago: can't speak for Mkyesbass about that) has only just started that as a policy. It always used to pay a fee. I can certainly see, as JTUK says, that some bands will drop it s a venue: It wouldn't surprise me at all, and it will be the better bands so the whole thing has the potential to turn into a downward spiral. It would be a shame as it's a nice place to play.I also agree with Casapete's comments. The main point was that as the jug is an established local practice, if people start to pay and more at the bar by debit card, and come out with no cash things will have to change. The venues will be reluctant, but if they won't up their fee, and the jug values drop so the bands don't want to play there it will probably mean less venues. Not good. As for the "Why aren't you in an originals band then" comment form LayDownThaFunk: WTF has that got to do with he price of fish? You, Sir, are clearly a troll and I don't propose to enter into any further comment tennis with you on this subject or any other. Life's too short. As is probably a certain part of your anatomy. (Sorry, Mods - couldn't help myself). [/quote] Every post I've made in this thread is perfectly valid and way off trolling. If you would like to discuss this with me in a more mature manner then please use the private message system, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 It tends to be the more informal places that will doa jug... or maybe charities, but otherwise even pubs round here don't tend to 'like' it. Of course, and out of town band might try and do a jug to get a few more coppers but pubs put the band on the price of beer anyway, so it probably would go down to well either.. Not a regular thing or on a regular basis...and besides, who wants to be stiffed with going round with the 'begging' bowl. You'd just about .... get away with it..?? if you had a guest or guests who significantly added to the gig and weren't getting paid..? maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Just to say that a 'low cost' or zero cost band is not [i]necessarily [/i]a bad band. i play in one, for instance. I'll admit that the odds may be a bit more 'stacked', but I've seen and heard quite a few 'ropey' bands that cost a fair chunk in my time. Some folks play well for free, or little. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 [quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1453908601' post='2964091'] The Jug is basically a tips jar for the band. A bit like the busker's hat. [/quote] Here in the States most bar bands have a tip jar strtigically placed. We have ours next to our cds and merch. With an engaged crowd that tip jar is an extra $25.00 each. We never pass the tip jar around. I understand bands in England look down on tip jar use. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1454198189' post='2967519']...I understand bands in England look down on tip jar use... [/quote] In general (there are always exceptions...), the very concept of tipping is antithetical to most Britons, I'd suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1454200765' post='2967538'] In general (there are always exceptions...), the very concept of tipping is antithetical to most Britons, I'd suggest. [/quote] Yup, a cultural thing. Me, if a $100.00 night turns into $125.00 I'm cool with that. The bar band business is a hustle. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownThaFunk Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1454200765' post='2967538'] In general (there are always exceptions...), the very concept of tipping is antithetical to most Britons, I'd suggest. [/quote] We have minimum wage in Britain. In America (particularly waiters/barstaff) they are paid under the minimum wage with the assumption that they'll make enough tips to bring them up over that minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 [quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1454236839' post='2967667'] We have minimum wage in Britain. In America (particularly waiters/barstaff) they are paid under the minimum wage with the assumption that they'll make enough tips to bring them up over that minimum. [/quote] Street beggars live in similar hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) [quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1454236839' post='2967667'] We have minimum wage in Britain. In America (particularly waiters/barstaff) they are paid under the minimum wage with the assumption that they'll make enough tips to bring them up over that minimum. [/quote] True, however I'm going to tip a good waiter or waitress regardless of their hourly wage.Their base wage could be $25.00 per hour, I'm still going to leave a tip. Blue Edited January 31, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 [quote name='phil.c60' timestamp='1453928479' post='2964410'] There are quite a few pub venues down this way where a fee plus the jug is well established; a lot of them are long standing venues where some [u]very[/u] good musicians play. I'm pleased that you don't have to lower yourself to their level [/quote] Yes, set fee plus the hat/jug which, in my experience, usually puts 50% or more on the fee. And they are long standing venues with some name-known musicians playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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