Dazed Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Anyone currently dabbling with this ? Low 20hz is it possible with anything on the market ? I'm at the research point so any experience or advice is welcomed. Any amps or cabs that do a decent job of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You need not be concerned about the fundamental, only the second harmonic. A speaker with solid 40Hz response will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 i get a low E out of my esp thru my ashdown set up, and i use a thumpinator Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Have a look here ..? [url="http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1411500-true-subsonic-subwoofers.html"]True Subsonic Subwoofers ...[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd ask BCer Dread Bass, as he has some crazy low tunings. Sounded immense through my rig at the last bass bash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Ahhh my favourite subject at the moment. Yes, I tune to F# on two of my basses with the ability to drop down a tone to E for certain tracks. Bill has quite rightly pointed out how best to do this but I will go through my signal path to give you an idea how to get the best in a live situation. The most important bit really from my point of view is not about boosting ridiculous amounts of low end through your bass rig. It's pointless and will just make that note sound pillowy and mushy. After all, very few cabinets on the market can actually reproduce anything near that fundamental anyway, it's pointless trying. I do concentrate on defining the second and actually third harmonic areas but also boost some upper midrange too using specific overdrive pedals. Anyway, first place to start for me is of course the bass. I am using a Dingwall AB1 XXX that I have rewired to my own spec. I've written about it on the Dingwall forum called the DV1 mod. The 37" scale helps a great deal too and I have strung the bass with Kalium strings with a 183 gauge for the low string. My Shuker incidentally has a 190 on it as the scale length is shorter. My 'preamp' is a signal path that is split in to three paths - One clean, one with top end drive and the other with a boosted mid range (think custom TubeScreamer here and you are on the right path) - Both drives are high pass filtered to remove any stodge too. The whole path, to simplify gets mixed back together via a triple band compressor to keeps things tight. A bit of EQ in there to add punch and roll off top end sizzle from the drive pedals only, the clean top end is allowed through. I'll miss out the effects path, but I essentially use a TC Electronic G System as my effects hub. Everything gets thrown at a big QSC power amp with DSP where everything below 25hz is absolutely removed, but to be honest there is practically no bass boost in my path added electronically. That said, my bass has an active pre, so I control the lows from there rather than running back to the amp. Finally, for monitoring I am loving the Barefaced Big Twin II which handles what I need it to. Using this method I have found I get a super tone both on stage or recorded via D.I with strong definition across the strings. Personally, it has to be new strings for a 'piano-like' tone, because dead strings down to that tuning sound pretty rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453317175' post='2958424'] Have a look here ..? [url="http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1411500-true-subsonic-subwoofers.html"]True Subsonic Subwoofers ...[/url] [/quote] On stage, I'd say that was a bad idea. It'll cheese the engineer off too. If anything keeping the subs under control and letting front of house take over those duties is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453317175' post='2958424'] Have a look here ..? [url="http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1411500-true-subsonic-subwoofers.html"]True Subsonic Subwoofers ...[/url] [/quote] Below 35 hz ish your into the realm of sound effects rather than anything you would hear as music e.g. a large diesel engine on tickover, the whump of helicopter blades etc, hence why they are discussing these things in home cinema forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Frequencies that low may cause an unfortunate commotion in the old trousers... Probably best avoided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Dan Dare' timestamp='1453320688' post='2958479'] Frequencies that low may cause an unfortunate commotion in the old trousers... Probably best avoided [/quote] Ha ha ha ha!!!!! [size=5][color=#000000][font=proxnov-reg, arial, sans-serif]Everybody's doing a brand-new dance, now [/font][/color][color=#000000][font=proxnov-reg, arial, sans-serif](Come on baby, do the low co-motion)[/font][/color][/size] Edited January 20, 2016 by dood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1453319593' post='2958456'] Below 35 hz ish your into the realm of sound effects rather than anything you would hear as music e.g. a large diesel engine on tickover, the whump of helicopter blades etc, hence why they are discussing these things in home cinema forum. [/quote] Indeed, which is why I posted the link. I've used such systems in a 'Son et Lumière' show, where five sound sources projected the sound over a stadium-sized valley in front of a castle, and the subs were under the terrace seats to 'feel' the cannons shots and thunder. No musical effect at those frequencies; merely sensation. The Altec amps were very powerful, as I remember; about 5 k in all, solely for the sub effect. Very effective, but useless in a normal, 'musical', sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Also worth considering that a frequency of 19Hz has been found to cause feelings of fear and anxiety. I got this from a TV programme about how natural phenomena give rise to 'supernatural' effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1453323201' post='2958510'] Also worth considering that a frequency of 19Hz has been found to cause feelings of fear and anxiety. I got this from a TV programme about how natural phenomena give rise to 'supernatural' effects. [/quote]The TV show didn't examine it in depth. Women are genetically pre-disposed to not like low bass effects. In the wild low frequency vibrations tended to be harbingers of nastiness, like earthquakes and stampedes. Men are the opposite, as said stampedes were a sign of lunch approaching on the hoof. This to a great extent explains male fascination with big subwoofers, explosive effects and loud cars and motorcycles, whereas women could care less. What explains the female infatuation with shoes is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1453325279' post='2958543'] whereas women could care less. [/quote] They couldn't....why do Americans use this phrase? - it means the opposite of what they want to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1453335953' post='2958639'] They couldn't....why do Americans use this phrase? - it means the opposite of what they want to say. [/quote]Why do you spell color 'colour'? And it's not a boot, it's a trunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1453343988' post='2958649'] Why do you spell color 'colour'? And it's not a boot, it's a trunk. [/quote] You wear trunks on your feet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1453325279' post='2958543'] The TV show didn't examine it in depth. Women are genetically pre-disposed to not like low bass effects. In the wild low frequency vibrations tended to be harbingers of nastiness, like earthquakes and stampedes. Men are the opposite, as said stampedes were a sign of lunch approaching on the hoof. This to a great extent explains male fascination with big subwoofers, explosive effects and loud cars and motorcycles, whereas women could care less. What explains the female infatuation with shoes is anyone's guess. [/quote] Very true. My toddler grand-daughter will happily sit on my knee and bash away at notes in the middle of my keyboard, but if I play low notes on the bass she backs off and clings to her mum's leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1453343988' post='2958649'] Why do you spell color 'colour'? And it's not a boot, it's a trunk. [/quote] Spelling's a different matter....using a phrase in such a way that it means the exact opposite of what you want to say is just idiocy....unless of course you're trying to use sarcasm...but you weren't. I don't think i've met an American who can. Oh and i spell colour C O L O U R because that's the correct way to spell colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Wow, who found piss in their Bran Flakes this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='dood' timestamp='1453376948' post='2958845'] Wow, who found piss in their Bran Flakes this morning? [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r16ktx Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='dood' timestamp='1453376948' post='2958845'] Wow, who found piss in their Bran Flakes this morning? [/quote] By Jove! An American writing with American idiom and spelling while offering help and advice, using a communication medium developed and paid for by, um, Americans, How rude! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 This chap says it all (for the Queen of course)... http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1453387808' post='2959032'] This chap says it all (for the Queen of course)... [media]http://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw[/media] [/quote] EXACTLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dincz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 My last cab could reproduce 10Hz ..... err, couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 [quote name='dincz' timestamp='1453388389' post='2959042'] My last cab could reproduce 10Hz [/quote] American was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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