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How to emulate Primus' "Pork Soda" bowed bass sound?


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I'm working on a part of a track where I use some slow slides and bends, which, bear with me, I'm trying to make sound like drunken cow mooing. The articulation is right but the tone in the mix is too dark, not enough voice. I'm playing a Fender P with the tone on 100% treble, the slidey bendy stuff just seems to collect the low freqs and sounds super deep.

As a reference point, Les Claypool's bass sound in Pork Soda. I'm pretty sure he's playing an upright of some sort with a bow, so I'm gonna have to cheat with effects.

Has anyone attempted anything like this? Maybe a smidgen of overdrive, wah and reverb?

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I'd never heard of the E-Bow before, seems interesting. The fretless would probably work better, good suggestion. Mine is out of action unfortunately.
I'm using compression, but the ratio could do with a boost for this bit.
Will attempt to EQ it out. Scott Reeder from Kyuss also springs to mind, not exactly bowed but groany animal like.

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[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1381235500' post='2236123']
Ebow on bass sounds amazing if you are a genius with it, but its insanely frustrating to control....


Of course if you are a fiftieth level dark lord of bass madness you use two at the same time:-

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx1RccwlF5g[/media]
[/quote]

That is [i]bonkers[/i].

Four detuners on the headstock, and another on the bridge ... ?! I think.

And some stuff I didn't understand at all - was he pushing on the back of the neck?

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Wow, Manring really takes bass playing into another art form. From observations I presume the E-Bow isn't something you can bung on in the middle of a song? I'm only playing 8 bars of this cow lick...no pun intended.

Anyhow, I've arrived pretty close to the sound I wanted with EQ, compression, reverb and mild OD on Guitar Rig. Demo version of the track is nearly done, will post a link soon to demonstrate what the heck I was on about. Cow mooing bass what are you mad? Yes :)

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[size=4][quote name='Lfalex v1.1' timestamp='1381337296' post='2237848'][/size]
Fwiw, I tried a mate's e-bow on a fretless 'ray5.
It wouldn't shift more than the C and G strings. D, A and E wouldn't move.
Do they do a bass version, then?
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There's no bass-specific version but I've had one for about a year now and I can get all four strings to move quite easily. Don't get me wrong - it definitely takes practice and the intensity of the effect depends on the placement of the ebow in relation to the pickups as it creates a magnetic field which vibrates the string.

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[quote name='Bolo' timestamp='1381315609' post='2237346']
That got annoying when he stacked all that feedback.
I have beaten guitards down for pulling that sh*t!

Good craftsmanship controlling all what was going on though.
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That wasnt feedback

That was harmonic chords swelled with the volume control into a stereo delay.

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Alrighty then, the demo track is done. Cow bass at 3:57 mins.
Another bass nerd item of interest, twin bass (lead and rhythm) at 2:32 mins. Wasn't my intention but my guitarist didn't learn the part in time :ph34r:

[url="https://soundcloud.com/loscrujientes/room-3"]https://soundcloud.c...ujientes/room-3[/url]

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I once was chasing a similar sound in my head to what you describe here. I even described it as a bit of a mad cow like sound.
It was on this track:

https://alphamaleteaparty.bandcamp.com/track/mutha-hubbard-wha-choo-doin-in-ma-cupboard

At 1:45, 2:01 & 2:18 I chuck in a few slides with more of a mooing feel than a traditional bass slide.
Then immediately after it kicks in with a more pronounced sound.

This finished version ended up having a more extreme tone than originally planned as it suited the song more but the drunken cow was definitely achieved along the way.
It would take an age to list the gear and settings I used but you'll need to double track to get something satisfying. Emphasise the mids and use a bit of overdrive for the slide but you'll need a clean more sub tone underneath it to hold it down. When a cow lows you hear the raspy throat/nasal sound most prominently but there's always the bass note from their chest resonating underneath it.

The sound in that track above from 2:18 onwards was done with a bass whammy just sweeping up an octave but with a clean sub tone along side it. I ended up using an auto wah and some pingy short delay with it to bring it out in the mix more but before that it was very much the cow sound!

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[quote name='rhythmbug' timestamp='1382309830' post='2250579']
Alrighty then, the demo track is done. Cow bass at 3:57 mins.
Another bass nerd item of interest, twin bass (lead and rhythm) at 2:32 mins. Wasn't my intention but my guitarist didn't learn the part in time :ph34r:

[url="https://soundcloud.com/loscrujientes/room-3"]https://soundcloud.c...ujientes/room-3[/url]
[/quote]

I've just had a listen to this track and, having seen Les and Primus play on numerous occasions back in the days of Pork Soda and the few years leading up to that point , I can honestly say that they were never as good as this demo you have put together here . Very impressive indeed.

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[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1381235500' post='2236123']
Ebow on bass sounds amazing if you are a genius with it, but its insanely frustrating to control....


Of course if you are a fiftieth level dark lord of bass madness you use two at the same time:-

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx1RccwlF5g[/media]
[/quote]

That sounds nice, but I must say...I think it's the perfect reason why every musician should play some keyboards...[i]not[/i] necessarily to have piano chops, but just to do exactly what he's doing here. It would be quite easy and the end result would be the same. And after all, how often would you really need it? Unless you're playing on making recordings for massage therapists and yoga classes.

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