Telebass Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1352662521' post='1865834'] Sorry mate, but you haven't a clue. [/quote] Have to agree with the Nearly Dan man on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1352661450' post='1865808'] I have not watched the show myself but my daughters have. It is aimed at the young - it gives them the feel good factor. The hope that fame and fortune can come to the ordinary person. That is what entertainment has been about since the war years. Opium for the masses I like making my own music. Playing in a band. Listening to blues, rock and even jazz lol. If you don't like it don't listen and agree with your other half, yes you do take music very seriously!!!! [/quote] You are a very wise person. Music is entertainment. If it entertains someone, it has done it's job. There are many people out there in original bands trying very hard to write good music but missing the Entertainment side. I've sat and listened to some very musically good singers and players but left after the first set because I was bored to tears. I've stayed all night watching some great entertaining bands who've struggled to get to the end of intros together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Evans Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just watching it now with the missus...praying for a powercut! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Lots of people seem to need a reminder that they don't have to take any notice of all the TV, newspaper, internet and celebrity junk that's all around us. While the X factor is on, whales are crashing about in the ocean, babies are being born and the lump of rock on which we live, is spinning its way around a tiny part of an endless universe. Why even acknowledge the existence of the X factor? Edited November 11, 2012 by arthurhenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1352664511' post='1865883'] You are a very wise person. Music is entertainment. If it entertains someone, it has done it's job. There are many people out there in original bands trying very hard to write good music but missing the Entertainment side. I've sat and listened to some very musically good singers and players but left after the first set because I was bored to tears. I've stayed all night watching some great entertaining bands who've struggled to get to the end of intros together. [/quote] Music is entertainment and expression and communication. Sometimes all at once, sometimes not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1352664998' post='1865894'] Music is entertainment and expression and communication. Sometimes all at once, sometimes not. [/quote] Well, if you want to communicate with me and express yourself, please don't do it to me when I've come to be entertained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1352660844' post='1865800'] The Y-factor? [/quote] I think you mean "Y the fack am I wasting my life watching this crap on the TV Factor"... I think the last album I bought which was in the charts was Plan B so anything I see on sheet like X Factor is unlikely to ever make it's way into my music collection..most of the stuff on these progarammes is pitched at 14 year old girls anyway so shouldn't be taken too seriously... Andrew, as a musician, you have specialist insight which non musicians don't have..I wouldn't put too much value in their opinions .. To quote/paraphrase "My big fat Greek wedding"..."it's OK if you don't agree with me as long as don't mind being wrong.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Subbeh' timestamp='1352656133' post='1865700'] What bugs me is that so many of the entrants go on about how music is their life, all they've ever wanted to do was perform. Do they go out and find a band? go to open mic nights or do anything to further their dreams? no they wait for a 'talent' show to turn up on their door steps before they'll do anything.[/quote] My guess is that many of them are the one's that get rat-arsed before they have the nerve to get up at a Kareoke night (which is all that Cowell's stuff is on a bigger scale). Get told by enough of their pissed-up mates that they're "really good" and end up at the auditions, more often than not to be laughed at by a majority, just like they were by the more sober ones back in the pub. All that Cowell is doing si the same as the band's who were ripped off something senseless back in the sixties; the majority of the ones who "nailed that", "owned that" "made it their own" or "made the whole series worthwhile" will be shovelling fries in McDonalds in a couple of years time. They'll have had an adventure out of it - but will still have to live with the pointing fingers and "Weren't you.......?" comments while Cowell hasn't even diverted a single brain cell to remember their name. Or as "some bloke" put it.......... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxBBdWrad7E[/media] That's his Mrs (Lou) on backing vox & his brother Frank on drums - keep it in the family! or the band he was in recognising the fragility of their fame.......... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8rIIPQxSM[/media] Edited November 11, 2012 by Big_Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1352665123' post='1865898'] Well, if you want to communicate with me and express yourself, please don't do it to me when I've come to be entertained. [/quote] I promise not to, so long as, when I've come to be communicated with and moved by feelings expressed, you still entertain me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1352654292' post='1865650'] Taking music too seriosly .......Steely dan ........UGH , I am sure they composed songs by throwing a bucket full of random chords in the air and playing them in both the order and the time sequence that they landed . [/quote] Can I ask what kind of music you're into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1352665428' post='1865905'] I promise not to, so long as, when I've come to be communicated with and moved by feelings expressed, you still entertain me. [/quote] It's a deal, I can cry and everything. Kind of my point, there should always be an element of entertainment. Edited November 11, 2012 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rOB Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You know how in recent years there has been a big push for better food in schools and a load of chefs on telly pushing quality food and cooking as an alternative to fast-food and microwave meals? Do you think we might have something similar for music? Mmm, not sure I'd always agree with the comments about musicbeing entertainment. I'd say that the some music is art. If a performer can be/do both at the same time then you've got someone pretty special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Look, right, The X Factor is an entertainment show with music as the conduit for the format. This is because almost everyone likes and listens to some music. If you just chucked the CDs of the songs on there to the public, most of them wouldn't give it the time of day. It's big budget TV entertainment. It's the format that matters. Most of the people who watch X Factor have diverse musical tastes for all sorts of reasons. We like the format, it's exciting, but it doesn't mean we think the the pinnacle of music or that we even like it. It's inoffensive and they are not even original songs. Don't get your knickers in a twist. There are loads of kids at Rush concerts, and at Everything Everything concerts, and even at Snarky Puppy concerts I'm told, although I don't understand that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='Roger Evans' timestamp='1352664557' post='1865886'] Just watching it now with the missus...praying for a powercut! ;-) [/quote] Surely she's not that bad ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noisyjon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 IMO It is just a TV show. No likey, no watchey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he man812 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Ima relatively young person and most of my favorite music is 40 or so years old. Luckily my dad showed me alot. HOWEVER its not just a cult thing. There alot of good music out today but you just have to find it. Its just that what i see a good quality music was more prominent 40 years ago. Today its shrouded by rubbish. Even if you do hate (for example) Justin bieber or someone, there's so much hating that goes on that it makes him big in the public view even if it is because everyone hates him. It still shrouds good bands. Ignoring bad music has to be encouraged otherwise it will remain big forever. Justin bieber may have many dislikes on his youtube video but he has the most views of any video on the site. Hated, but youtube views make money so still big and producing. Anyway that's my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='he man812' timestamp='1352673981' post='1866058'] ... Ignoring bad music has to be encouraged otherwise it will remain big forever. ... [/quote] I grew up in the 70s and 80s. The 80s in particular were notable for the complete sh*te that was being produced. The sh*te is now pretty much considered quality music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1352662521' post='1865834'] Sorry mate, but you haven't a clue. [/quote] [quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1352665564' post='1865909'] Can I ask what kind of music you're into? [/quote] I enjoy a fairly wide spectrum thanks, but I struggle with Steely Dan , oh and rap , I appreciatte it is very clever, but it does nothing for me. While It seems to me a bit random , I guess it is very difficult to get it as together as they do , and they may be throwing a bucket full of random chords in the air and playing them in both the order and the time sequence that they landed , but they all do it together. It might be the most technically brilliant stuff in the world , but I can't listen to it, I have tried . even bought an album as loads of mates waxed lyrical about them, but it grates. No offence to anyone who loves their stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1352675532' post='1866087'] I grew up in the 70s and 80s. The 80s in particular were notable for the complete sh*te that was being produced. The sh*te is now pretty much considered quality music. [/quote] You depressing bastard And wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he man812 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1352675532' post='1866087'] I grew up in the 70s and 80s. The 80s in particular were notable for the complete sh*te that was being produced. The sh*te is now pretty much considered quality music. [/quote] I don't think all hope was lost by the 80s. There's a lot i like from that era but i definitely think it got worse from there on, with more good music sinking into the background. Particularly with the rise of god damn celebrity musicians. Even Micheal Jackson for example, although he made good music he was more famous for what he did rather than what he played. And now as a result of that we have people who are famous just for being famous. Celebrities definitely play a big part in what I think is wrong with this world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) my god i think some of the best music ever written came from the 80's.. i recognised it as good then and always will........of course this depends on what bands you are refering to... i think people like Prince defined the 80's as well as bands like the human league, simple minds, level 42, the Police.. as well as many underground musicians i was and am still into...,... these bands music will last forever imo..and all of these guys were seriously musical people.. even pop music at the time like Curiosity killed the cat, which lets face it were a boy band came out with some seriously good pop records... yesterdays madonna is todays sh*t called lady gaga... sorry for any offence but i really cant hear any good music in her at all.... these were bands that were in the charts.. alot of stuff in the charts now possibly wont be remembered in years to come... or maybe they will, on a different level of appreciation..? Edited November 11, 2012 by bubinga5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1352677026' post='1866105'] You depressing bastard And wrong. [/quote] Lol. I'm wrong that it was sh*te, or wrong that it's now considered good? I hope to god it's the latter. Joking aside, Rick Astley, Mel and Kim and all the Stock Aitken Walkman stuff was well ahead of its time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 TIM, 80's music wasn't all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1352677859' post='1866127'] ...of course this depends on what bands you are refering to... [/quote] Exactly. I just remember, literally tons of sh*te being produced. There was some very good music, but at the time it was difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. Who wants to have a stab at what music from the 2010s will be popular in the 2040s? Edited November 12, 2012 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he man812 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1352677859' post='1866127'] ...bands like the human league, simple minds, level 42, the Police... [/quote] He's right TIM, they are top bands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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