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Use a hairdryer to tighten the grill cloth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGM781nR2M Masterful.

I know it may be against the DIY ethos... but have you tried sourcing a cheap airbrush (probably one of those aerosol powered ones) and flake attachment?

[quote name='mike257' timestamp='1478640793' post='3170604'] Only if they're d&b. [/quote] Thought as much.

[quote name='Higgie' timestamp='1478611044' post='3170265'] Can anyone with one of these tell me - If using with a MIDI Controller, do you have to use the MIDI output? Or can you plug a MIDI Keyboard into the input, then take the normal jack out and run through an amp? [/quote] The way I understand it, is that you use the midi controller to drive the synth and the output comes from the audio output that you would plug into the amp. In and out only need to be used when using the editor - this seems to be confirmed here - http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/pandamidi-future-impact Annoyingly, the MIDI input doesn't seem to allow for patch changes, only note trigger and firmware update.

[quote name='Rik (ESA)' timestamp='1478556953' post='3169941'] I LOVE THIS FORUM! Thanks all for the tips, plenty to have a play about with here. I've been looking at an audix d6 for a while as it happens, but want to give the mic we have a shot before discarding it too hastily because of my lack of knowledge. That said though, it's one of those all in one cheapy drum mic sets, and tha gets what tha pays for more often than not! [/quote] You should be able to get some good results from the bass drum mic that you are using because you have some fairly powerful eq at your fingertips. The D6 is great because even through mixing consoles with limited EQ at your fingertips, it'll will get you in the ballpark with zero/minimal twiddling. It's defo worthwhile sticking with your exiting mic until you can at least get something in the ballpark - because you do have the flexible EQ available to you. The thing with kick drum though - is to nail that gate setting.

[quote name='Lw.' timestamp='1478540700' post='3169745'] Let's not even get started on the number of fish-fingers in a box! [/quote] I know!! Grr. I suspect downsizing package contents will become the norm!

I suspect a lot of companies are taking the opportunity for a spot of profiteering... even Walkers crisps are considering a price hike of 12% on good manufactured in the UK... but of course, Walkers is owned by Pepsico, so there's an argument about strength against the company's native currency... You can guarantee what ever happens re:europe and the value of the pound, any return to the strength of the pound will never be reflected in the price of goods in the UK. If only we grew the potatoes that they use for Walkers crisps in the UK... Their response? It's because they import the oil and seasoning... Can you imagine Apple reversing the price hikes on their Macs?

[quote name='JPJ' timestamp='1478538270' post='3169711'] I like the op look after our live sound, but I'm not a sound engineer. For a good drum sound, I've found a good hard gate to get rid of any after ring, followed by running the drums through a little bit of reverb just to warm them back up a little gives me the best result in 95% of the venues we play. As to crossover points, I prefer something in the 100-120 area, but as I use a pseudo crossover on our Behringer X-Air (combination of a high pass and a low pass on the mains and one aux, running the subs from the low passed aux out) I have the best control over the balance of the rig, much better imho than when we used a dedicated crossover. As with all these things, you have to first know what your gear can/cant do, and then experiment until you find something that works for you. [/quote] Reverb on snare is cool - but I would never advocate reverb on a bass drum! - one way ticket to mushville! Funnily enough - with most digital desks, you can see the higher and lower thresholds of reverb frequencies - so for example, on a snare, you'd get reverb on the mid to high end for the nice "airy" reverb, but can cut it so that the bassier elements of the snare don't get any 'verb applied. So yeah, same thoughts apply to floor tom with reverb - don't go mad! Hats especially, you actually want some definition in all those hits!

The best for what? Tone, volume, looks, ruggedness, weight, size, resale, bragging rights...? Given that a lot of the above are subjective, I wouldn't trust any answer that is given to you. I'm sure both camps have very happy customers.

[quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1478525985' post='3169603'] clearly he wasn't there to witness the impact they made [/quote] Not the whole "Paul is dead" thing...

http://yankee.com.pl/?lang=en

Even Paul is having second thoughts...

In addition to what has already been said on the thread, I would actually advise against using presets. I've yet to find a digital desk where the presets are anywhere near where I would want them to be. Desk manufacturers cannot begin to guess what mics are going to be in play, so it seems more of a selling point to con people into thinking that they are simple "push the button" solutions - which of course they aren't. The key to getting a good mix is spending some time to getting your ears used to frequencies. Don't be afraid to experiment - again, I would say it's worth hiring a room for the day just to play and get your sound as tight as it can be. Looking at moonbass response, theres a couple of things that you can do to make life easier. First is, look at your mic. If you want a mic that will instantly get you in the ballpark, check out the Audix D6... its the most dishonest drum mic out there, with a response that is pretty much where you would want your EQ to be. I understand that quite a considerable investment, especially if you have a drum mic already. So here's the key frequencies... Boost 65Hz with quite a wide bandwidth (check the "q" setting on your eq) - but for your subs, HPF at about 45-50 Hz (Again must stress that this is not a formula - you must use your ears). Moonbass is right about the boxiness- so follow those tips. For click, you've got a couple of good options - 1 find the click using the eq... but you can artificially enhance the click using the credit card trick - which is literally taping a credit card loosely to the the area where the beater hits... so you'll get the natural click and the click of the credit card. I'm not a big click fan but plenty of people are - so this may get you where you want to be with minimal hassle... especially if you are having difficulty picking out the frequencies. Mic placement is key - a lot of people simply chuck a bass drum mic in the bass drum and expect a great sound. Unlikely to happen. Your sound is going to be a lot tighter if you aren't picking up all the sound bounding around inside the drum... so you may want to invest in a bass drum mic stand if you haven't already, and place it closer to the exterior of the drum. Again, the exact positioning depends upon the mic and the drum itself. Oh yeah, make sure your bass drum is tuned - thats going to be a helpful start! Compressing the hell and above all (this is the number one) applying a gate to the kick is where you are really going to start tightening up your drum sound. I've looked into the gate thing briefly and it would appear your mixer has a gate available on all channels - but it may require a firmware update if it hasn't. Again, literally just a quick read on my phone. I'd be very surprised if a gate has been overlooked as it's pretty much an essential tool when micing up a drum kit. Oh - worth mentioning... don't go to crazy on the compression or you may get a lock where you pretty much get instant feedback... and the floor tom may trigger that. As for me micing the bass drum now? Well... I'm quite anal about getting the perfect bass drum sound... so I went into a studio, recorded the bass drum in various situations using different mics. Then I played with the EQ, sub bass, enhancers and everything to get my perfect bass drum sample. I set up my PA in a dead room and fine tuned til I got it where I wanted to be. From venue to venue now, the tweaks are minimal if anything at all. What do I do with this sample? I simply trigger that. None of the problems associated with micing up a bass drum, an open mic removed off stage and nobody can understand why I can get get peoples bass drums sounding so mentally good. So now you know. Again, this is probably over kill for most people - as it's a lot more expensive to do this than but a bass drum mic! The rest of the kit is miced up traditionally. And no, you can't have my bass drum sample!

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1478507964' post='3169432'] Sorry to hijack this thread a little, but do you recommend putting a HPF on everything? We run vocals,keys,sax,drums and bass through our PA. Should we put a HPF on all of them? [/quote] Depends on how good your subs are... but probably yes - but it depends if you can specify at which point the HPF is set. For an analogue desk with a fixed HPF of say 100hz... well, that isn't going to help your kick drum... but if you can HPF your kick at say 40-50hz, given your chest thumping fundamental happens at about 65Hz, you'll suddenly start tightening up your subs and making them more efficient.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1478305694' post='3168392'] George was the coolest, btw. [/quote] Yes, that George Martin was a legend.

[quote name='largo' timestamp='1478271723' post='3168090'] That looks like the one. So, just double checking. The power supply doesn't have to be rated at 150mA? Will it only draw the current it requires? [/quote] Correct. Same principle applies with fx pedals... you can keep daisy chaining power to run multiple pedals off one supply but if you attempt to draw more power than the PSU can supply, your pedals will start behaving like they've all run out of batteries!

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1478269473' post='3168066'] Sorry, my big mistake. Note to self: engage brain before operating iPad. [/quote] To be honest, the link doesn't make for clear reading!

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1478268420' post='3168054'] But what about his brother Bryan? [/quote] He's out at the Tickled Trout that day.

This is the adapter isn't it? If so, any 12v adapter off eBay, centre positive will do you. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-2-amp-5-5mm-x-2-5mm-x-10mm-center-positive-replacement-power-supply-adapter-/161129756584?hash=item258414f7a8:g:5DwAAOxyOypSYAeW http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SY-12040-BS-AC-DC-ADAPTER-12V-450MA-POSITIVE-CENTRE-124169-/112158390940?hash=item1a1d293a9c:g:Z~kAAOSw8gVX9TFt http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-300ma-0-3a-DVE-DVR-1230UK-4114-input-center-positive-connector-Mains-plug-/262660615637?hash=item3d27caedd5:g:QUYAAOSwCGVX9hkn http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-300ma-0-3a-DVE-DVR-1230UK-4114-input-center-positive-connector-mains-plug-/221361266624?hash=item338a28dfc0:g:KrYAAOSwHnFVhkMe

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1478267595' post='3168042'] Bryan Terfel - WTF? [/quote] Bryn Terfel is for the Cheltenham music festival, not the Cheltenham jazz festival.

IBT Rickenb@cker related L

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1478256359' post='3167887'] By the time that Nirvana became popular the music scene was already far too fractured for them to have very much influence outside of the rock genre. [/quote] Yeah, you're right. With circa 75m record sales (and remember their career was shorter than most) they were merely a blip on everybody's radar and didn't change or influence anything outside the rock genre. They didn't get kids buying guitars again and setting up bands in their garages or anything. Just google "most influential musicians" and try and find a list where Nirvana or Cobain aren't mentioned. Nirvana and Cobain are still cult now... with kids who weren't even around at the time, wearing hoodies and tees with the Nirvana logo or band imagery on them... and the entire back catalogue downloaded on their phones. The key reason they are important in musical history is because they were doing something that was completely different to what everybody else was doing at the time and ultimately enabled the pop factories to be overthrown (with music that they wrote themselves instead of the norm where other songwriters were getting their songs assigned to whatever artist was flavour of the month to record...) Which other band in this thread does that remind you of?

That McCartney bloke would be nothing without Kanye too.

Never mind the Beatles... what about Nirvana? In the sea of Bubblegum pop that was emerging at the time, Nirvana came through and saved us. I hate Nirvana. But I do appreciate them opening the doorfor subsequent bands at a time where everything was turning to sh1t.