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[quote name='Les' timestamp='1477227056' post='3160672'] Didn't work. Only got it in one ear. As per usual I was testing new kit at a gig so didn't have time to mess about. [/quote] It's usually done in the software but I know those Tacstars are pretty basic on the functionality front... in which case, try something like this . http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-635mm-mono-jack-socket-to-two-635mm-mono-jack-plugs-splitter-02m-black-te17t

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477161998' post='3160309'] Sorry I think I mislead everyone earlier. The guitarist has just bought the speakers in. One in each hand. They're Yamaha DXR8s. [/quote] PS - not intended as condescending... more that when you said you had a pretty small top - a 10... and it turns out that it's 8s! You can't really get more diddy on the PA front!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zsDpeWF6k Note how kit is miced. Could do with a bit of a tune though.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477152405' post='3160207'] Well, possibly, but at the size of venue we are talking about you would still hear the biscuit tin. Feel free to go on about big PA systems but it has already been pointed out that its neither practical or necessary in the situations we play in. [/quote] Again, don't use a biscuit tin and mic it up. Have a tuned kick and mic it up. I said before - you could use a tiny kick and process it to sound huge. I think Pete's statement was taken too much at face value. You can iron out some of the problems if you have the power in your desk. I don't see how Petes suggestion of two 15 tops at circa 20kg and say a XR18 could ever be classed as "big PA". It's portable with high SPL. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

Do people realise that micing a kit and tuning a kit aren't mutually exclusive things? You can have both, right?

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477147720' post='3160163'] Dont need a miced kit in a pub room as our drummer is a musician, he knows how to play his kit and balance the drum and cymbal sounds, it goes with the job. As I said, its down to the musicians skill and experience to get a good balance in any room, If you need a full mix in a pub to achieve this then the musicians are lazy/ inexperienced. [/quote] :-p

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477143901' post='3160127'] If you take the feed from the desk then no argument, but thats hardly fair. Record your fully PAd sound from the back of the room, as would be the backline recording, and the only difference would be the quality of the instrument balance, and that is down to the musicians in the band in both instances. If you cant get a decent balance in a pub without a sound engineer than you are in trouble as a gigging musician. [/quote] I take it you didn't google the Tascam DR07 before writing your response then? What about a miced kit? And the "quality" of instrument balance is pretty critical to a good sounding band...

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477138169' post='3160081'] I'm sorry, but an unmiced bass drum does not sound boxy if you have tunes it properly. It's inly inaudible if your bass amp is turned up to stun or kill. If the drummer can't hear the vocal monitor or guitar then he is paying too loud. End of discussion. As I say, I don't see a problem with putting a band through a PA when the situation warrants it. 99.9% of the time we play it's a non-starter for practical reasons already explained. If you're listening to a band that can't control their sound ten they're not going to fix it with a PA. I've had the same argument with drummers before - my bass drum needs to sound like "X", mic it up. We are a live band not a CD recording. You can't make something sound like something else. [/quote] I'm sorry. Our opinions differ. Put a live recording up of your band... and I'll put a live recording up of my band from my Tascam DR-07

[quote name='Les' timestamp='1477131290' post='3160008'] Still looking at IEM but a quick question, most, even the cheap ones seem to be stereo. I'd have though the monitor sends on most desks were mono but I'm not 100% on this. I understand you could use 2 aux's to get a stereo mix but how do you achieve mono ? If you just chuck a mono lead from your aux to your transmitter do you just end up with it in one ear ? Sorry if I'm being daft here. [/quote] You can switch between mono and stereo operating modes - so even if you just plug in one cable, it sums to monos and comes out left and right in your ear buds.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1477124602' post='3159955'] surely if you're using an unmiced drum kit, which we do (trust me it's loud enough for a pub gig) you need a backline loud enough so you and the drummer can hear what's going off (assuming no IEM) which, will be loud enough for the rest of the room as is the unmiced drum kit, if you see what I'm getting at, we take about 40 minutes to set up and at the end of the gig we're away in about 20 minutes which for me is a big plus There's also the aesthetics to consider, having a big backine is more Rock and Roll IMO of course [/quote] I've never heard a drum kit in a band situation with an unmiced kick sound any good. It's either boxy or unable to be heard. The kick drum underpins the music - it needs to be good. I guess it's all down to what we are prepared to put up with. Your drummer needs a side wedge to hear what going on, or IEMs -and is likely to hear what is going on better this way than highly directional guitar amps pointing away from them. As for big backline - that's fine. Just let the PA do the work. If the guitarist is arguing that it needs to be turned up to get the tone, slap him. There's a reason that bands use big amps for visuals and end up moving up small combos behind the scenes.

[quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1477057596' post='3159580'] I've recently made the switch to having no amp on stage and using in-ears. Last on my pedalboard is a Sansamp para driver, that, together with the mixer controls, takes care of everything necessary to get a good out front sound, and I get a controllable, comfortable mix direct to my ears. Lovely. [/quote] Glad you are enjoying it dude!

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1477066070' post='3159678'] I'm prepared to do all the work necessary to provide the best show possible [/quote] Well done that man. A pride in one's work.

The change in tension is more likely to impact your truss rod. With regards to your intonation and action, that will change if you are changing the gauge. In short, when changing strings, do all three... although the truss rod change is less likely to be required if you stick to the same set of strings. PS it's not uncommon to need truss rod tweaks throughout the year (especially if you play with a low action) as the wood changes with the weather... so to speak.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1477065853' post='3159675'] A digital mixer can be had for around £200 with all the features mentioned above, it will also save room in the guitarists car compared to a typical 1000 watt euro desk [/quote] The good old XR12

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477064728' post='3159660'] As Dad says. "The correct solution" is to tune the bass drum correctly. [/quote] Doesn't mean sh1t if nobody can hear it.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477061631' post='3159629'] Man alive! That's a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What kind of gigs are you guys playing? Someone suggests they might like a little bit more prescence from the bass drum and we're into triggers. Madness. Take a step back guys. [/quote] I play all sorts of gigs - and have a pride in my sound. Why is everybody always content with "it'll do"? You've clearly invested in your backline... so why shouldn't the drummer invest in his/her's too? A bass drum mic is the correct solution if you have access to the appropriate processing... if you haven't got the appropriate processing, then a kick drum mic is invitation to blow tops - I wouldn't recommend it through your 10s for example. If you have got eq and compression as a minimum on your desk, then jobs a goodun. But I still wouldn't expect great results through 10s. If the poster hasn't got the above, it's going to be cheaper than buying a decent kick drum mic, the outboard to process it properly - or a digital desk. The trigger and module will get you immediate results, with no feedback, no bleed and also not cause trauma to your PA. In fact, in terms of getting reliable results every time at every venue, it's probably more simple than your bass drum mic.

[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1477059533' post='3159600'] Thanks for that suggestion [/quote] Leroy - you actually may want to look into a triggered kick - say a Roland RT30k and a TM2. This will give you the sound of a compressed, eqed, bleed free kick but without the hassle of running outboard, or some sort of digital desk. It will actually sound a lot better than most people's efforts at getting a decent live kick sound also. Also means your drummer can carry around a tiddler of a kick drum too.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477056117' post='3159566'] The guitarist owns the PA. 2x10" tops. They are physically 30% possibility more, of the size of the same 15" tops and a lot lighter. FACT. The specs are on the website. He has to fit them and his guitar amp and monitors in his car and load it all in and out at his home. [/quote] This is a completely different argument. Logistics of getting the gear to the gig is not the same discussion as comparing the merits of the band going through the PA or not through the PA.

[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1477057906' post='3159584'] If anything, I would like a little more oomph from the kick drum and have considered micing it up through a separate powered cab, situated beside the drums and facing the audience. (I would appreciate any comments regarding such an arrangements) [/quote] That concept is fine - it's pretty much how a "aux-fed sub" would work - although you would ideally want to have some compression, maybe a gate and some eq to get the most out of that cab.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1477054147' post='3159547'] I take the PA and my amp, the smallest vocal PA and a pair of 2x10 bass cabs would take up more room than my combo and two full range pa tops. I've pointed that out ten times so far only to be met with "we haven't got room for a bigger PA" so I think I'll give up about now. [/quote] Idiot.

[quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1477050819' post='3159508'] One of mine tunes up between every song.. Drives me mental... [/quote] Not heard of prestretching the strings then?

And talking of TURNING up... Why do singers always turn up AFTER all the gear has been lugged in?

Sorry. Misread the title. I thought it was "Guitarist TURNING up:... Don't they all? All the time? They need their little amp knob twiddling fingers sawn off.

[quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1477047294' post='3159455'] So can I can paraphrase the last zillion posts.. "We do this and it's great" "We don't do that, it's sh*t, we do this, it's great" "We still think it's great" "You're a stupid face" :-) [/quote] I reckon I can get the underlying tone nailed too... "You're an idiot." "No. You're an idiot." "I understand what you are saying but you're an idiot." "I don't care what you said, even if it works because you're an idiot."

If in doubt... kemper the amps!