Mykesbass

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1419254700' post='2638011'] I just want to say that, having read through this thread, it (IMHO) exemplifies what a good bass chat thread should be. People with differing views making points, answering points and making reasoned counter points. A bit of humour thrown in, no insults, no shouting. All in all a pleasure to read, and it makes you think about what's being said rather than jumping to a pre-held opinion. [/quote] Yep, well said - has made me really want to be having a good face to face friendly, civilised argument with Blue!

[quote name='Bobthedog' timestamp='1419252972' post='2637984'] Hangs head in shame. [/quote] Not at all - how boring would the planet be if we all liked the same thing?!

[quote name='Bobthedog' timestamp='1419201098' post='2637615'] Duffy does a pretty good version in the soundtrack for The Boat that Rocked. [/quote] Sorry Bob, but that doesn't do it for me on so many levels - vibrato, phrasing, some of the arrangement, but I love the fact that we all get things so differently!

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1419194834' post='2637509'] Interesting point, I really wonder about that, what bands will still be in the came 50 years from now. The whole concept of band and fans is different. You guys know how loyal us Beatles and Stones fans have been for the past 50 years. Are the fans of new bands as loyal? Blue [/quote] I really don't understand this concept - I love some Bowie stuff but haven't bought anything since Let's Dance. Elvis Costello is another one - I love his work with the Attractions but haven't bought his work with the Brodsky Quartet through loyalty. Besides, 8 years from the Beatles is hardly them being loyal back!

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1419194455' post='2637500'] Ok, hey I'm open to your position. If The Stones and McCartney are no longer as big or as important as they once were, why are they still selling out stadiums at $160.00 a pop. Somebody must think they're still important or still entertaining? So, I'm looking for your response to the [i]"why?"[/i] Blue [/quote] Plenty of people do for sure, and they are the baby boomers who can afford the $160 tickets, along with the Harley they always wanted as a kid, possibly along with a Custom Shop Strat or Les Paul, but nowhere near the numbers to compare to their glory days. And, apart from Robert Plant, are any of them making interesting, new music or just re-hashing past glories? Ah, nostalgia - ain't what it used to be!

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1419191049' post='2637451'] Commercial success does not guarantee Taylor's music will stand the test of time. The Stones and Paul McCartney are still selling out stadiums to several generations 50 years after the fact. Let's use Taylor for your generation, we can check back with each other 50 years from now and see how she's doing. Blue [/quote] She's not my generation - I'm 50, she was just an example of one of today's artists who is in the same league as many of the global superstars you seem to be nostalgically yearning for. The Stones and McCartney are nowhere near as big or important as they once were, and I doubt any of your superstars will have the longevity of Mozart. It seems a shame that someone with a great knowledge and experience in music is putting up these unnecessary generational barriers - enjoy what the kids are doing and listening to and then pick up on some of the influences and introduce them to those - a bit like we Brits did with all your wonderful Blues music you were ignoring until we told you how great it was

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1419178806' post='2637262'] How good is your singer? The problem with this number is the power of Lorraine Ellison's performance. She's the only one I've heard that nails it. She's singing it, everyone else (including Sam Brown) shouts it. [/quote] [quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1419179063' post='2637270'] I couldn't agree more. This is powerful singing and not shouting and how it's meant to be done. [/quote] I have always loved the original (and best) but was looking for a different take on it that could be attempted in a band setting without horns and strings which is why I like the Terry Reid take on it. Also, with Sam Brown, yes, she hollers some of it but I thought she showed a lot of control and pure singing in a very powerful performance. Yes, I think my singer is pretty amazing, and when she gets the chance as on a song like this she really comes in to her own. I'll report on progress in the new year (including a rehearsal recording if we crack it)!!

I'll check those out - can imagine Steve Marriott doing it justice!

The original needs more than our 4 piece can throw at it but this version of Stay With Me (Baby) is hopefully achievable and my singer loves it and will do a cracking job on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW9mDyFgh1o there's always this version when we get the full horn section in years to come: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACFlm7vX624

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1419148865' post='2636924'] Someone made an astute and enlightening comment.I really never thought about it, but there are no more global rock stars. I guess that's a thing of the past. Someone once told me that in today's music world an Aretha Franklin or a Stevie Wonder would have a hard time getting signed. blue [/quote] This Taylor Swift has sold more units globally than a lot of those that we of a certain vintage would think of as global superstars, including Rod Stewart, Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Wonder and Bob Dylan. And that is just units sold - think about the streaming, illegal downloads and copying, merchandise, endorsement deals etc that she will be enjoying as music is consumed so differently these days and she will be pushed much further up the leader board. There is a great radio show in the UK every Saturday morning - Sounds of the 60s, which looks at the era with rose tinted glasses but ends up playing so much old dross you suddenly appreciate it isn't so bad today!! Cheers, Mike

[quote name='JamesBass' timestamp='1419120626' post='2636873'] The other choice is focusing on rhythm and for me I'd focus on groove, looking at pushing, pulling, pocket playing, and odd time sigs. What should I do?! [/quote] I think from reading your post the bulk of it points towards this being the one that will serve you best. On the other hand, if it is down to learning for learning's sake then it may be the only opportunity you get to delve deeply into the Jazz harmony. That probably hasn't helped at all has it?

^ Sure did!

[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1419007754' post='2635700'] I don't think you have to accept Paypal but I would have jumped at that if it were me! [/quote] Thought I hadn't made it up: [url="http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html"]http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html[/url]

Amazing, sold if for £375 then slags off the buyer for having the temerity to want to pay by PayPal (which I thought you had to accept on Ebay)! Chutzpah of the highest order!

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1418895783' post='2634491'] I reckon the blues brothers had the lyrics taped to the inside of their sunglasses [/quote] [quote name='ubit' timestamp='1418973110' post='2635285'] I find that when I'm singing, seven times out of ten, my eyes are closed, [/quote] Ubit's gone one better and had them tattooed to the insides of his eyelids

or this: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKG7hOuEFmA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKG7hOuEFmA[/url] although I did see him attempt this at the Virgin Megastore Oxford Street some 30+ years ago and it all went horribly wrong!

OK, to clarify here, I was mainly responding to Discreet's post "Making a living from teaching and/or gigging and/or recording the bass," If the person is earning exclusively from teaching then to my mind they will not be a pro player. If they mainly earn from teaching with the odd gig, then still probably not a pro player. Surely a pro player apart from anything else needs to be able to commit to recording sessions, gigs, shows, tours and therefore not be available for regular teaching?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1418761543' post='2633131'] Why? If they're making a living from the bass then does it not count? What about luthiers and builders? They can make a living from the bass too, but not from actually playing it. What about retailers? What about the people at Bass Direct? What about Andy Baxter? What about the children? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?? [/quote] But the OP was about Pro Players - hopefully a huge percentage of the teacher's time will be not playing! Also, their profession is Teacher - absolutely nothing wrong with that but I still think it does not make somebody a pro player. Professional children - now there's a thought!!

Slightly more seriously, I think it should be a player who earns their living from playing music - I would personally exclude teaching from this, as to me that is a completely different skill set and many great teachers would not necessarily make it as pro players just as many pro players will be awful teachers. There are of course many notable exceptions.

Someone who doesn't use a music stand... ...or does

Looks great in all combinations - nice dilemma to have