lurksalot

Honestly , back in the day ..... 1) My next door neighbour broke the neck off his Hohner Violin bass guitar and was just about giving it away 2) My dad had a selection of woodscrews 3) we had a screwdriver job jobbed .

I haven't listened as I don't know what would constiute the sound that was supposed to be the right one , but what I do know is that in an orchestral piece ,you would have a fair few violins in both the first and seconds , if you had an equal mix of the examples in the test , how would that pan out , I would guess it would take a phenominal degree of expertise to nail the value kit !! ed to add , the point of the multi parts is to get the nuances of tone and playing to get the correct feel ,so that the diiferences add to the whole , maybe the next test should be an orchestra full of value kit vs 17c kit and let joe public make the call

having only recently learnt how to use DAW I can honestly say that my editing skills are probably better than my playing skills , I can now produce a bassline with far more accuracy than I can play it , and I wouldn't necessarily recognise it as me, having played it live in the recording , sad but true , I can spend hours messing with it and getting a take , rather than spend 3 minutes playing it right . still , I love gigging warts and all , but I hate the thought of having a recording that isn't quite right , bizarre .

[quote name='sarah thomas' timestamp='1371412996' post='2113637'] No, it wasn't a bad thing. It made me smile, and I'm glad I saw it. I don't think I'd bother going especially though! The women had made a little more effort, with pretty flowers painted over their nipples, that sort of thing. The men just let it all hang. [/quote] The men could have painted the hanging bits like pythons , unless of course they were only boys ed . Im glad you enjoyed the GB gig , a previous band I was in were booked to play a blues festival with him , but lack of interest saw it off .

[quote name='ubassman' timestamp='1371400688' post='2113384'] I have the bass after Falkirk and its available from 14th July onwards - I am in derbyshire between Bakewell and Buxton ....less than an hour from Manchester, Sheffield, Nottingham, Derby ...anyone going to pick up the next leg ? [/quote] do you have your gig details and anything you want saying on the map pin ?

There is no plan for it to go anywhere , it goes to where-ever there is someone who wants to get involved , the collection and handover logistics are just taken as part of the deal, and it travels accordingly, it started off down south , but the take up seemed slow and it made its way northward , the southern bass community need to raise their game somewhat , The Portsmouth contingent duly excepted

[quote name='andyonbass' timestamp='1371319912' post='2112603'] Get one of [url="https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/specialbuys/sunday-specialbuys-16th-june/sunday-specialbuys-16th-june-product-detail/ps/p/digital-luggage-scale/"]These[/url] from Aldi and just hang it by the strap [/quote] But then you will weigh the strap aswell , I always find it awkward to do weighing with a strap on , you can't see the numbers properly unless you twist your hips

the map was updated even before you asked ed to add , it was updated before I read your post , but after you actually posted it

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1371114918' post='2109895'] Great quote from producer/songwriter Ethan Johns in the current issue of Sound On Sound magazine: "The only way, in my opinion, to get a great bass sound is to have a great-sounding bass player... People hear Danny Thompson's bass sound and they go, 'Can you get me that sound?' And the answer is, 'No, I can't.' It's the way he plays it..." So, more time practicing and less time spent GASsing for me [/quote] It is an odd one to work out really , as an engineer the 'great sound' he is after would probably one of consistency of timing and volume with the ideal tone for the job in hand , together with an ability to provide it quickly and effectively , and all that probably requires a quality player .

[quote name='ubassman' timestamp='1371159749' post='2110804'] ...you have a map? [/quote] [url="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=210691614987351235849.0004d5f2ff114291042ee&msa=0"]Yup[/url] , I believe it is linked to the BC Relay facebook page aswell

Awesome updates , are there definitive dates and venues I can pin onto the map ?

Success This is my attempt , I had a bit of singist help , and I still can't get the mix quite right for the vocal to sit properly , but I think it is worth putting up for an entry . If I get a better vocal blend I will try again , but it is doing my head in so here it is . [url="https://soundcloud.com/lurksalot/broke-mountain-blues-1"]link [/url] ed to post the new mix

Cheers Mike , I understand what you say , many thanks, It is soooo difficult to remember as the minute you change one thing it seems to impact everything else

I am really struggling to get soundcloud to upload at the minute , I have tried 3 times , it all seems to work but when I hit the save button it all goes away , and I cant find it , I shall keep trying

[quote name='Mornats' timestamp='1370901767' post='2107332'] I think mine's done now: [url="http://soundcloud.com/mornats/when-things-come-out-at-night"]http://soundcloud.co...me-out-at-night[/url] [/quote] That is a quality piece , it has excitement all the way through it , mine has turned out a little different than I expected , but much as I feared , darn that mix competition !!!! talking of mixing , that is my next job , the vocal is half decent now that I have done a bit of collaboration

Thats a lovely piece Steve , well in , Mine is nearly done , I have recorded a vocal but I am really hoping to get our bands singer to do it so that I can ditch mine , If its a possibility I will hang fire , but if not, I will put mine up.

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1370769819' post='2105213'] I noticed some action Cinematic tracks up on that site................... A whole new ball game as far as panaramic sound staging, width, height and depth are concerned. Not carving out loads of bottom end, and very careful use of panning, comps and eq's, while still keeping a multitude of dynamics, and Orchestral Instrument placement very much still intact...... Garry [/quote] yum yum , I will have a go at anything

......Or a smokefree pub in Colchester........ Very good Rob , not my thing really though , but I do like the way you drive the the feel through the piece .

Brilliant Rob , just superb My faves are right were I belong and handsome fighters , if all the songs were produced like handsome fighters you could give up your day job before long

[quote name='Mornats' timestamp='1370710644' post='2104761'] To pique your interest, here's the list of instruments I've used on it:[list] [*][color=#333333]Overwater Classic Jazz bass [/color] [*][color=#333333]Ibanez GRG70 guitar [/color] [*][color=#333333]EZDrummer POP! Drum Kit [/color] [*][color=#333333]Miroslav Philharmonik [/color] [*][color=#333333]Sampletank Roots Pandeiru [/color] [*][color=#333333]Synapse Dune synth [/color] [*][color=#333333]Kontakt Orchestral Grand Piano [/color] [*][color=#333333]Guitar Rig 5 Pro and Rammstein plugin[/color] [/list] [/quote] I'm a bit dissapointed not to see the Horn of Gondor on that list , but maybe Bilbo has that put away somewhere

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1370692028' post='2104438'] I reckon that John Hall is pretty punk.. And he don't care! [/quote] Ah but he does , it just that his grasp on the real world is pretty vacunt

I'm game.

this is all new to me aswell Milty , you will make massive steps on the first 3 or 4 mixes , and each time more things will fall into place , I am only just starting to understand the advice that was given to me 3 months ago . but learning to listen is way up on the list of things to start with. one thing I have really picked up on , is that when you mess with parts the sound of the actual part does not have to sound full and awesome on its own , you can strip out with EQ loads of the sound spectrum of any one part and it might sound odd, but when you put it in the mix , whats left of it has its own space, can be heard and doesn't interfere sonically with other parts so much. the difficult bit is working out which frequencies of the parts identify the characteristics of the part , and that is one of the next stages for me, so that I can get a feel for what it should sound like and subsequently how to achieve it . it is really brain hurting sometimes , but well worth the effort.

I get the impression when looking back, that punk was a fashion experiment that spawned some great music, loads of crap , but some great stuff.

My notes about the mixes ,all are to be taken with a pinch of the proverbial and may say more about my naivety than ability to mix so here goes A unbalanced, to low bv , vocal to low . (I have already bounced this one off dad) B I thought it was awesome , a lovely reduction of the bass sustain and EQ made it obviously a DB , referencing maybe should be against a DB rather than a generic country track, I had the vision in my head of a DB and that may have coloured my listening . I was happy with the vocal, maybe a touch dry , but not a lot , and the detail in the drums and cymbals cut through nicely with the keys making an appearance , so , yeah if some one can burst my bubble I would welcome it . ed ..noted before the feedback guys C I thought too reverby , like warehouse with a low ceiling , bass was boomy and lacked detail no tinking ride, there is a lovely ride deatail at about 2.20 and lots of mixes missed it. D vocal too low, snare a bit masked and a touch jangly with too much banjo masking the tinking ride but near a vote E bass a touch boomy , but got my vote as it was close on the refernce stuff I used . Well done F too much reverb on vocal , undistiguished bass ,light snare ok again already discussed with Twigman G a bit tinny on the BV and a lack of bass tone , no tinking ride but near a vote H BV a bit to low and bass a bit buried, muddy bottom and heavy kick in parts with a slightly smothered vocal I vocal a bit thick but far too much processing on the drums, gate maybe , an unnatural sound to me . J Light yet muddy real bass tone and vocal too reverby, tooo much twang , missing loads of detail K mixed through a blanket , it completely lacked clarity and now that I know whos it is , the gung ho approach shows, it is probably like mine sounded when I started, so stick at it … L far too much reverb, everything just sounds recorded in a different county , no blend . In summary , my summary and mix notes need as much pulling apart as my mix, but with my limited skills my conclusions in general would be lots of lost detail like bass tone and the ride tinking , the bass needed volume automation to keep it consistent in some of the run downs as it got lost in most mixes, a bit too much twang and reverb on show for my taste, but so interesting to hear everyone elses take on it Great fun, and can't wait for the next one . Kev