Steve Browning

Sorry. Your response ("but UPS are") suggested that UPS charge the VAT and I was just correcting. The end result is the same I admit. Tomayto/tomarto.

Sorry. Pedant time. UPS pass on the VAT charged by HMRC on importation. The money you pay to UPS reimburses them the VAT + their handling fee. No non-UK seller will charge anyone in the UK VAT directly. They may show the price including but I would expect the delivery address part of the checkout to remove it.

I was thinking of doping this myself (the mod!!).

I guess time will tell. It's probably fairly disquieting for Mesa employees (it's human nature after all) and maybe we should hang fire on the negativity and see what transpires. If the same people are intending to use the same kit to build the same amps then there's more room for optimism than is felt at the moment.

I should like to make clear that I made the OP. I did not attach the video clip.

Just been announced by Mesa. https://www.mesaboogie.com/#loaderdone

Mesa Boogie have just announced they're part of Gibson.

Buy it in the UK though!! 🙂

Would not fewer £ for your € have the opposite effect? Reducing income still further.

All very laudable but please be careful. Who says "better use a CN23" and will people understand the importance of incoterms. You don't just select one at random. I'm not saying this is necessarily wrong but I am saying that you should approach this with caution and don't just use something because someone says you should or you've just spent 2 minutes reading an explanation on the internet. Yes, this is straightforward for people who do it daily but it's not straightforward. If you are a business. take advice from the carrier. They have the necessary experience to tell you what you need to do. The HS code tool could be useful although there are many such tools on the internet. Again, apologies for the cautious note. Getting something wrong could end in confiscation.

Ooh. Maybe I should switch to Thunderbird basses. 🙂

Here it is straight from the horses mouth (and up to date on 31/12/20) https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad I am always a little wary of any offering from outside the Agency that actually polices this. I don't doubt its veracity (I haven't read it) but I would always suggest you go to the source rather than an interpretation. Sorry for being a bit pedantic here but this is based on a lot of years experience - on both sides of the fence.

... or economically worthwhile.

I am afraid I have to point out that this is incorrect.

Personally, I would throw the Heritage B15 into the mix. I used one as the house bass amp at a studio a couple of years ago and it sounded lovely (I used to own a 70s B15) and has the advantage of that extra power.

I would respectfully suggest that agedhorse is being a technician here. In my day job I am exactly the same. It's vital to be 100% accurate and I will always correct people when they refer to something zero rated for VAT as being exempt. To the layman they may seem the same but they are radically different. I am reading a techician ensuring he has full understanding of what is happening and making sure that every aspect is covered. Frankly, that is providing the benefit of proven knowledge and experience.

I will be alerting my ex-employer of my suspicions. Have no fear.

I couldn't find him on Companies House and Funktion Junction Entertainment isn't a company. I am keen to track him down and see to what extent he can be banned from being a company director (if he is one).

Use this if you need to check a number - https://vat-search.co.uk/

Blimey. A lack of erections too!!!

The system used for checking VAT numbers - https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ - requires the 'checker' to enter a valid VAT number. The UK VAT numbers are no lo0nger valid EU VAT numbers (although NI ones are). At least it's all straightforward now.

Doctor Feelgood

UK businesses no longer have access to the concept of triangulation. In the example I gave above, our UK business would have to register for VAT in Portugal or the contract be novated to the Spanish company so they can use triangulation. If the business is UK based then they have to be aware of their supply chain. certain things are no longer possible in the same way. A lot depends on whether the UK business is VAT registered or not.

Indeed. I've just been on a call regarding a contract (with the UK) to supply expensive goods, produced in Portugal and delivered to France.; No longer possible.

Ultimately, the conclusion is that private individuals buying 2nd hand gear from other private individuals (in a different country) will now pay VAT when they didn't before. Businesses can sort themselves out and take their own advice.