SteveK

I really can't imagine not tapping my feet, or at least moving part of my body in time whilst playing. I've always assumed it was a kind of subconscious metronome thing going on.

I would very much doubt that MacDaddy is referring to Sting... ...at least, I hope he isn't

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='984541' date='Oct 11 2010, 04:05 PM']I'm definitely not a great musician who has never studied or had a lesson in their life. I've had lessons [/quote] Apologies if I misunderstood your post. You seemed to be getting dangerously close to the [i]"yeah, but what about the legendary Jaco Miller - he never had a lesson in his entire life - I'm going his route"[/i] type post [quote name='MacDaddy' post='984541' date='Oct 11 2010, 04:05 PM']I've had lessons [/quote] LESSONS?...That's it then, you're destined to a musical life of clichés, constant widdling and general bad taste bassiness... ...according to some

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='984331' date='Oct 11 2010, 12:40 PM']so what do we think of Jamerson? Appalling technique - no teacher would advise a pupil to just pick with one finger - yet we can't deny his genius.[/quote] We can all name 1 or 2 great musicians that have never studied or had a lesson in their life - They are very few and far between. Safe to assume that you (or I) are not one of them and need to put the hours in.

I remember reading an interview by Phil Collins soon after being anounced as vocalist for Genesis..."I wan't to sing about stuff that relates to people - falling in love, falling out of love". I thought [i]that'll be the end of Genesis then[/i]. Of course I was proved right - as we all know, they sank without trace. FWIW Phil Collins? [b]Huge[/b] fan of his drumming - can't bear his singing.

[quote name='Mickeyboro' post='976385' date='Oct 3 2010, 08:21 PM']Last night we played a long, 2 1/4 hour set in a very cramped pub. I was more or less on top of the kit, not very comfortable for a six footer. About half an hour from the end I thought my drink had been spiked! The whole band sound seemed to get louder and less distinct at the same time. I could no longer pick out my bass lines from this noise and basically played 'by feel'. It was a really disorienting experience. My ears now (next day) feel quite tender but no ringing sound, thank god. Has anyone else experienced this kind of thing? I know for sure I'll be taking earplugs to my next one next Saturday.[/quote] Probably the cymbals. I don't wear earplugs and I sometimes get closer than I should to our drummer (Jimmy Copley) - the cymbals remind me that it's actually not a very good idea. He also plays the loudest snare known to man. Incidentally, he suffers from quite bad tinnitus and can't bare loud noise, so he uses earplugs and wears cans for monitoring. I've tried them, but I'm too long in the tooth to change my ways now.

[quote]And these "many venues" are?[/quote] I think that you're unlikely to get get an answer from the op to that question - he's probably retreated to a safe distance with his tail between his legs. [quote]You can't polish a turd.[/quote] Funny, whenever I hear that expression in a musical context I'm always reminded of The Frankies - Relax & Two Tribes... Trevor Horn -"[b]Turd polisher supreme[/b]"

[quote name='flyfisher' post='975104' date='Oct 2 2010, 04:28 PM']According to Jon Burton, The Prodigy's chief live sound engineer: The full article is in the October edition of Sound On Sound magazine and gives more details about his liberal use of 18-inch subs and, in case that's not quite enough, his use of triple 21-inch 'infra' subwoofers to handle the 15-50Hz frequencies. Might as well ditch my 2x10 cab then. [/quote] The man is absolutely right. Remember he is talking about PAs not bass guitar rigs. If you want punters to not only hear but [i][b]feel[/b][/i] the bottom end at larger gigs, then you will need large units - suitably housed of course.

I know loads of great and prolific songwriters in bands, who, if they chose to, could fill arenas and make a fortune. But, instead, they'd rather do Robbie Williams, U2 covers, and play The Dog & Duck once a fortnight for £50 Yeah, right!

[quote name='KevB' post='972438' date='Sep 30 2010, 10:25 AM']I went to see Glenn Hughes last night. [b]He's got more soul & funk in his little finger than Jay Kay has in his entire body[/b].[/quote] Aint that the truth!

[quote name='benh' post='972452' date='Sep 30 2010, 10:36 AM']PS about the "[b]in the real world of gigs tablature doesn't exist[/b]" - totally true. I got the biggest kick up the rear end to learn how to read notation when I tried to do a gig reading from TAB for a stage production of "Little Shop of Horrors" a few years ago, mistake![/quote] And for a lot of gigging musicians notation doesn't exist.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='971881' date='Sep 29 2010, 05:10 PM']There are two types of bad bass players: 1) Bass players who you notice. If you notice the bass player he's doing it wrong. 2) Adam Clayton.[/quote] [quote name='Pete Academy' post='972081' date='Sep 29 2010, 08:57 PM']He sticks to root and is not very adventurous, but why class him as bad? Explanation please.[/quote] Yeah, I too would be interested. I'm in no way a fan of U2 - I don't own a U2 recording (single or album). But I do find it quite interesting that AC is often referred to as [i]a rubbish bass player, the luckiest guy in the world[/i] etc which seems to me to be a little unfair. According to the media U2 were the biggest band in the world, selling vast numbers of records. Imagine this: It's mid to late 80s - U2 are in the studio recording With or Without You - It's time for Adam to lay the bass down - Horror of horrors, he has an accident opening a can of baked beans, slices his fingers and can't do the track! - An AC critic/detractor happens to be in the adjoining studio and reluctantly agrees to do the session... [b]but only if he's allowed to do it his way![/b] Couple of questions: Would the track still have been their first US number 1? If Adam Clayton had never recovered and the AC critic/detractor became a permanent member, would they still have achieved "biggest band in the world" status? Who knows? But what I am fairly certain of - without Adam Clayton U2 would not be the band that we all know and...love(?)

[quote]sprung the "just play the root note" crap on me ([b]despite agreeing that I wouldn't have to do that[/b])[/quote] Am I reading this correctly? You told them that you wouldn't be playing root notes, and they agreed... even if the song was begging for it. If I was auditioning for a bass player and he told me what he would or would not play, I'm afraid the audition wouldn't get any further. With that kind of attitude you've got to be pretty damn good to get the gigs. N.B I don't know you - you're probably a lovely guy - my comments are only in reference to your post.

Come on guys, I think we're in danger of taking ourselves a little too seriously here. The last time I heard anyone refer to B# or E# was when I was studying I couldn't give a toss if a musician refers to B# as C or E# as F - That has nothing at all to do with his ability to play music. Having said that - I will always (and have, many times on these forums) advocate the learning of, at least some basic, theory.

Worked with them many, many times in the mid to late 80s. They were the only major band from the 60s with the totally original lineup, or at least, that's how they were often billed. Got to know them pretty well - a lovely bunch of guys - real gents. If memory serves they did Silence a capella.

[quote name='silddx' post='958490' date='Sep 16 2010, 04:22 PM']After you've had a quick run through the tricky bits you always get wrong on the night, packed up your gear, loaded it in your car or got it on the bus, unloaded it and set it up at the venue after waiting nearly three hours for the sound guy to arrive because you turned up at the time the venue told you soundcheck would be. Then tearing down so the other three bands can soundcheck. Setting it up again except you've got half the room you had before because two of the bands need to leave their keyboards on the stage. Not hearing yourself properly in the monitor mix and being blinded by one of the spots on the low pub ceiling which you can't get out of the way of because of those f***ing keyboards. Playing your gig knowing those eight friends who promised to turn up have not done so AGAIN. Finding stinking stale beer all over the arm of your expensive stage jacket as you realise the support band's guitarist knocked his pint over while you are coiling your cables. Having to get your gear off stage straight away instead of being able to enjoy a pint (which you had to pay for because the band don't get free drinks) and people telling you your tone is immense and you are the next Alain Caron. Hauling your gear to the bus stop for the long journey home where you have half an hour to enjoy a glass of wine while taking the strain off your back and feet and reflecting on the few parts of the evening's performance you CAN remember, before going to bed and setting the alarm for 6 hours' time to get up for your day job. Be honest, do you REALLY get a massive enough buzz playing in front of people for an hour to make all this worth it? What do you REALLY get from it? Do you think you have a choice? Music chose YOU remember, you have to do it anyway don't you?[/quote] In all my years of playing every conceivable type of gig, I've never experienced [i]one[/i] such as you describe, except maybe in the odd nightmare.

[b]Glen Matlock? Master class?[/b] I assume it will be purely anecdotal.

"Time to prepare for auditions" I've not done too many auditions (last one about 25 years ago) but I seem to remember a couple of days notice was the norm. It's kind of ,"How long's a piece of string?" - There's no real answer. If it's a band that you know and like, and you're desperate to join, then, you'll spend every available minute [i]familiarising yourself with/learning[/i] their songs. Depends on the band of course, but if they have any sense they wouldn't expect you to know the songs by heart, they would be more interested in feels, timing, general vibe etc.

[quote name='bh2' post='954639' date='Sep 13 2010, 12:48 PM']I assume they just get a desk mix and broadcast that.[/quote] I very much doubt that. I'm not too knowledgeable about this side of things, but from what I gather (years of overhearing techy guys discussing this kind of thing) "splitters" are used. So the telly sound guy can sit in his highly equipped sound truck creating an independent broadcast mix.

[quote name='ezbass' post='952062' date='Sep 10 2010, 05:41 PM']Unfortunately it's more a case of who you know rather than what you can do[/quote] That old cliche! Let me just rephrase that for you: [i]Fortunately, it's a case of what you can do more than who you know.[/i] Friends in the business [i]can[/i] help, for sure, you can network all you like, but... It doesn't matter who you know... if you can't deliver - you won't get the gig!

[quote name='umph' post='952097' date='Sep 10 2010, 06:05 PM']i think he gets a great groove going on, you wouldn't hear half of the ghost notes if it was a bit lower in the mix and it wouldn't sound as busy[/quote] Yep, I'm sure even the great Rocco Prestia would be accused (by some here) of overplaying, if heard in isolation. What is there and what you [b]think[/b] is there is often very different...particularly when it comes to bass.

Don't see anything wrong with that. Just too high in the mix, that's all.

[quote]Have you ever seen Nathan East's fingers close up?[/quote] Yep, held them in my hand only a few weeks back...can't say I noticed anything unusual about his fingers. But I was rather preoccupied with the fact that he had his leg in plaster

The phrases, [i]Natural selection[/i] & [i]Survival of the fittest[/i] can be applied to the world of music. The fact is, if a musician/band makes a decision to incorporate improvisation into their show, and they do it badly ie. the audience "don't get it", the audience are bored, the band are just w***ing off...then they will fail: dwindling audience numbers, no rebooking, end of band. If however, the band do it well - punters tapping their feet, moving their bodies, standing ovations, increasing audience numbers, band rebooked time and time again - then the band will go on to bigger and better things. [quote]But you only get to hear the good stuff. What about all the sh*t that was played we never hear, and the audiences not getting value for their money.[/quote] Of course you get bands that do it badly, but as I say above: They will/did fail... That's why you never hear them.

Well, without it we wouldn't have this iconic (?) bit of [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J249iACsmKY"]film[/url]. Used to amuse me hearing punk rock described as [i]exciting and dangerous[/i]...oh yeah? well, you obviously had never seen The Oo! It's The Who, It's what they did. It all added to their legendary status.