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[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1400413277' post='2453556'] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdTG7XHTX0"]https://www.youtube....h?v=4jdTG7XHTX0[/url] theres a link to a page where you can hear the final mix of " open your eyes" signal path was my 5 string into a lateral sounds Root into my orange then into the ashdown 810t no di needed! andy [/quote] Bass and drums have the best mix on this! Well done for getting bass heard properly in metal!

The top on the Overwater is amazing.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1400250316' post='2452294'] Really? I thought it was essentially an LM2/LM3 with a different power module to bring it up to 800W... How is it different? I have never seen one in the flesh, or heard it. [/quote] Unfortunately not. When the LM3/LM800/LMT/LMT800 came out I went to try them all at the Bass Merchant. The LMT sounded very similar to the LM3, but the 800 watt versions have a different tone overall...which I'm guessing is due to how the 800 watt Class D reacts with the pre, or an inherent part of the tone of the power section, or even just the voicing Markbass wanted. The LM2/3 is a classic.

I was almost going to order, but I really want a 5 string Reflex HH in Tangerine Pearl....mmmm!

[quote name='martthebass' timestamp='1400240527' post='2452149'] How does it differ G, I was looking at this route down the line with my set up? [/quote] The LM3 tone is, as you will know, that classic Markbass warm/clear/almost tube like tone, but quite 'flat'. I've tried the LMTube 800, and I think I also tried the LM800 on the same day. It just seems to have a MUCH deeper wider low end, quite ice-picky highs...something isn't quite as nice IMO. There are some discussions on Talkbass about it as well. All personal preference I guess

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1400237090' post='2452102'] for LM4... you mean something like the LM 800? [url="http://www.markbass.it/product_detail.php?id=98"]http://www.markbass....etail.php?id=98[/url] [/quote] Nah, unfortunately I'm not keen on the MB 800 watt tone...its different to the 500W offerings.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1400226776' post='2451940'] If that is the case...prices are dropping, then that takes a little wind out of the sales... Still, overall, not in favour of diluting a product/brand. Good luck to them, with their new business model [/quote] +1....i'd rather pay more if they kept it as it was and made a new LM4/F500 with more wattage.

No...IME. Heavier gauge strings give a different feel and tension, and may give a different tone if its a different brand or type of string, but no real extra volume. Just turn up on your amp/input gain.

[quote name='Bigwan' timestamp='1400077768' post='2450519'] I would think so, it's more the tonal difference I'm wondering about. As it happens I really rate the OTB. There are a few 'cork sniffers' round these parts who wouldn't even give them a chance but they're everything I look for in an amp. Admittedly the form factor isn't ideal though! [/quote] The OTB is a very very powerful amp, especially considering its size/weight/cost. Its is probably a 1/3 of the price of the WA, but no, its tone is different and will not do the WA tone. [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1400078036' post='2450522'] OBT louder than the WA, do you mean? [/quote] Just in terms of absolute power. Orange tend to underrate their amps, and I'm sure there are tests printed that show the OBT pushing out way more than 500W. Wattage isn't everything though, but it just so happens I personally like the Orange tone (although I don't own a OTB - I've just had a go on a few).

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1400079358' post='2450535'] But that's exactly why they rate Barefaced so highly, don't you see? Barefaced don't place much weight. [/quote] ?!

[quote name='Bigwan' timestamp='1400072965' post='2450452'] WoT, as a matter of interest have you ever tried the Orange Terror? Having tried the Orange and the Genz side by side I much preferred the Orange, but I'd be interested to hear how the WA would sit in that company. I've been talking myself out of a WA for years... [/quote] The OBT would be substantially louder. If that matters.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1400076141' post='2450491'] Yet you believe stuff you read on[b][i] here[/i][/b]?!?! [/quote] Not always, no, but I trust certain players and their ears/experience, just because they might be similar to my tone goals etc.

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1400076903' post='2450507'] Yup. You just wind them up and off they go! I love it! [/quote] Me to...I'm guity of getting wound up. I am someone who like to be incredibly informed before I buy certain gear. When I do decide, I put my money where my mouth is and have no issues with that. I am, as mentioned, incredibly cynical.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1400074238' post='2450465'] Bah! They only give the Super12 a 94% rating and the Midget T a 97% rating. Pathetic review. Completely fails to complain about finish, handles or feet. Doesn't mention how much better all the competition is. Manages to avoid using words like [i]fanboi [/i]or cheerleader. Instead, they have the temerity to write a genuinely impartial review based on the quality of these bass cabs when used as bass cabs. Hopeless. Call that journalism? [/quote] Call me a cynic (I know that I am...I question everything) but I wouldn't personally place much weight in a standard music mag review. That goes for ANY product.

[quote name='Merton' timestamp='1400067515' post='2450358'] and frankly no-one in the audience gives a rats ass if it looks good up close because they can't tell.[/quote] I agree, 100%, although, and I've raised this before, what is inherently wrong with wanting something to be aesthetically pleasing? This is not just aimed at this thread btw. Look at Apple products, they look sleek AND they work and, IMO, don't faff around like previous phones/PC's I've owned. Same with something like Aguilar. They LOOK great AND they sounds superb. I personally wouldn't buy many products if it was clear it was functionally brllliant, cost a lot of money, yet the aesthetics let it down. This is because there would be an alternative available that ticked all the boxes. I actually DO think the BF products look better. I'm keen to see how the recessed plates look now, and to see another cab in the flesh, so I'm not aiming this at any brand/product really....just generally!

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1400068928' post='2450385'] I certainly hope he won't. His is virtually the only sane voice on this thread. It's starting to become like a JW prayer meeting in here. [/quote] Hahaha! Thou shalt not criticise any UK manufactured product...because...well, no idea really.

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1399999456' post='2449779'] I found an interesting copy of the Markbass Magazine from 2009 online today. The front page reads: [font=sans-serif][size=7]"100% Made in Italy[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]The only way to maintain and grow the worldwide success of[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]Markbass is to keep manufacturing our products in Italy, where we[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]have full control over the entire process, from the quality of our[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]materials to our rigorous testing procedures. We stand firm on this,[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]despite the fact that so many other companies have moved their[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]production to Asia, seduced by the short-term economic benefits of[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]lower production costs.[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]Manufacturing in Italy not only keeps us on top of our quality control,[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]it also allows us to continuously—and quickly—innovate and refine[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]our products.[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]We couldn’t work this way with an offshore factory, because we’d be[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]locked into inflexible long-term production schedules. Our products[/size][/font] [font=sans-serif][size=4]cannot afford this type of inflexibility! We’re a company with vision,[/size][/font] passion, and blah blah blah." (Don't shoot the messenger. I'm a Markbass user and I like their stuff.) [/quote] Oh dear!

Focusrite make great audio interfaces and come with software. Another option, although possibly not as good recording quality, is the Zoom B3 effects/DI/recording pedal. It's a bargain and does three jobs in one! It also comes with software.

It's great to see you so pleased coming from such classic tube amp tones.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1400061733' post='2450270'] Yes - like the drivers for instance Which brings us back to Barefaced - design your cabs around top-notch speakers, keep them feather-light, and maybe (possibly even inevitably) cut corners on the quality of the finish. [/quote] Not doubting that their drivers are the best in the business, hence interest in the BB2

[quote name='Bigwan' timestamp='1400060544' post='2450252'] You've never built a cab, have you? The finish is the messy bit! Having tried painting cabs, cloth (rat fur) covering and vinyl/tolex, you couldn't pay me enough to finish a cab for somebody else... [/quote] No, and I don't intend to as I pay others to do it! I don't think I know any musicians that I grew up with who have spent time building cabs. Guitarists are much easier to please I guess.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1400026070' post='2450080'] It seems people just don't want to let the facts about actual real-world performance stand in the way of good old brand-perception and the acceptance of lesser products that don't sound as good, but are well-finished and well-marketed. [/quote] You can of course have extremely well engineered products, with the best QC/finish/aesthetics available, all in one package. The aesthetics and fit/finish should be the easy bit!

Cheers for the info everyone!

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1400001515' post='2449801'] do you mean the new "retro" cabs or the new ten 3 stuff? I know if you start adding the cost up off buying the parts yourself, the driver that's the most similar (i know its a custom driver barefaced use), the horn and waveguide, add the cost of wood and that and it's not much different from buying a big baby 2... an that's before you've even got anywhere near building a crossover and the parts for that.... and of course you would need to know how to build it... of all the critiques of barefaced stuff I've heard "they're expensive" is one of the less convincing ones. IMO obv. [/quote] I think £699 is alright for the BB2. It doesn't put me off. I do think, and this is not an attack, that the postage for the small cabs should come down.