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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1334321174' post='1614463'] I think xgsjx is thinking of the Big Twin, the Super 12 is the middly aggressive rock cab (which is great for that, but isn't epic lows). [/quote] [quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1334416163' post='1615964'] It's actually a Big Twin. Which is the one to go for if you still want the high end, even the one without the tweeter. It does him well in the dub and sub stuff he does. [/quote] You guys are right. I think because it's loaded with 12's is why I thought it was the Super 12.

Put your 102 on it's end so the speakers are vertical. I found this makes a huge difference to the spread on stage (I have the same combo). You could still use a 2nd small combo from the DI on the back of the 102 head & put it on stage (maybe facing the band from the front, if there's room).

Have a look at the Super 12. Pantherairsoft plays in a Dubstep/electronica band & says it has phenomenal low end (now I want one! )

For that sort of money, have you considered the lightweight options? There's Kampera KVB800 (which is only a couple of hundred more than the Ashdown & weighs 12.7 kg) & the MarkBass TTE500 (which is cheaper, lighter still at 6 kg & looks similar to the BTA) to name just two.

You could maybe make it into a small dub rig? Try a cable with a mono 1/4 jack on one end (plugged into your bass) & a single RCA on the other (to plug the bass into the amp where you would normally take an RCA from the head) & see how you get on. You might need a pre amp of some sort if your bass is passive.

£400 would also get you a 2nd hand LMII & a 1/2 decent 2x10 or 1x15. I personally wouldn't go the 4x10 route (but it is down to personal taste & the narrower dispersion). If you can push that extra £100, there's an even bigger choice.

Most HiFi bass gear (Not stuff like Ashdown or Ampeg) covers the full range & is very similar to PA. So yes, either an active PA cab or something like the MB 102 that JTUK suggests.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1334069908' post='1610462'] Anyone heard any updates on the Barefaced '69er? It's a cab I very much want to try! [/quote] Is it based on the rear parcel shelf of a teenager's car?

Nice one. I'll get across & have a read in a wee bit.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1333974820' post='1608937'] IMO and always sounds as if it is struggling when up against a full band. [/quote] Is that the 112 that you're referring to? I've never had this with the 2x10 combo.

My LMII is 500w @ 4Ω. 600w is the power consumption. I'm off to buy a 2000w hairdryer for the Mrs. Loud, but nowhere as loud as my LMII.

[quote name='CJPJ' timestamp='1333878389' post='1607572'] OK. Is there some where in or around London that has a 'decent' selection of cabs that I could go along to with my OBT to find my sound and make the choice based on my ears? [/quote] Like Lozz says, the Bass Merchant is a good call (I got my Markbass from them). Also give Bass Direct & the Bass Gallery a call & see if you can take your head along (they may even have an OBT in shop).

Something you've pointed out there, which is probably the most relevant thing... It's what "You" prefer. I think that's a very important thing when choosing something. Despite what all the sciences say, what should & shouldn't go together & what it sounds like, it's down to personal preference. One person will say "You need a Fender P into an Ampeg SVT with an 8x10", another will say "You need a Dingwall ABZ into a Markbass head with 2 2x10s vertically", someone will say "Sadowsky NYC into a SWR head with a 1x15 & a 4x10 on top" & another will say "You need a Warwick $$ into an Orange Bass Terror with a BF Super 12". None are actually wrong as each of these is that persons' ideal rig that gives them the sound that "they" want. Each one has it's pro's & con's however, the 8x10 and the 4x10 + 1x15 would have the poorest spread across the stage.

Not got one, but did consider it when I was looking at combos & wasn't impressed with it. Ended up with a MarkBass CMD102P.

[quote name='StraightSix' timestamp='1333802136' post='1606682'] Cab RMS wattage ratings are mostly to be taken with a pinch of salt in reality - they are normally rated at the maximum wattage before the voice coils melt. The bigger problem is the speaker excursion - very few 10" drivers can handle their true wattage rating and will bottom out (hit their excursion limits) well before they exceed their RMS maximum rating. Lots more info here: [url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/understanding-power-handling.htm"]http://barefacedbass...er-handling.htm[/url] [/quote] A good example of this is [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/172846-should-i-add-another-cab-or-switch-for-something-bigger/"]here[/url], where the OP found the cab farted well before reaching it's "power" rating. Part of the reason that I went for Markbass is the excursion. The B&C drivers have 21mm of travel (most other drivers are 18mm). Given the choice over again I'd maybe have went for a LMII & a BF cab, but I'm very happy with what I have.

That's a good price! Nice find.

[quote name='Kye' timestamp='1333799438' post='1606634'] I'm sure the WT800a runs at 800w bridged at 8ohms, the older model doesn't have the option to have the full 800 watts at 4 ohms. It has two split channels both at 400 watts at 4 Ohms. Winterfire thats very kind of you, shame I'm quite far out! I'm based in Hull you see so would take a few hours to get down! [/quote] The current WT800A is 440w at 8 ohm & 880w bridged at 8 ohm (1100w at 4 ohm).

Your head will run @ 500w at 8 ohm & 800w at 4 ohm. Unless you're bridging it of course. Oh, & don't pay that much attention to the wattage difference, use your ears instead.

Why does it need to be 800 watts? I'd be going with a cab that does the job properly as opposed to some marketing figures. Barefaced gets my vote too.

Have you gigged it yet? That's when you'll find out if it's doing the job. Home volumes (even turned up a bit) are not gonna tell you if you need a 2nd or not.

What is the 15 you have? Maybe a change of cab is really what you need?

Like Lozz says, add another SP210 (that is if your current one is an 8Ω cab). Your OTB will be putting out @ 350w into 8Ω.

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1333713744' post='1605578'] I'm kinda still in experimental mode with the GB and Berg 112's. Love the sound but occasionally i feel something is lacking. It could well be that it is the number of actual speakers rather than a size of speaker if that makes sense. The other thing with the HT cab is that it isn't rear ported although has a front port and that may affect the sound. The other difference will be the type of speakers - although the AE's are 12's they are Neodymium whereas the HT are i believe ceramic but could be wrong on that. That will also affect the sound a bit IMO. [/quote] 2 points there. You're right about the number of actual speakers as opposed to speaker size. It's about how much mass you are covering & how well the cab has been designed to distribute the sound. As for port position? As long as the port is correct, then it wouldn't make any difference if it's on the front or back.

Don't be fooled by this lot, we're not friendly at all! Now bolt ya jakey!!! Only messin! Welcome to BC.

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1333648805' post='1604866'] With the rigs I`ve had that had different speaker sizes - Hartke 210 & 115, and Marshall 210 & 115 - they`ve sounded great. With the Marshall, the 210 (which was a combo) was fine, the addition of the 115 just gave more depth and size to the sound. Whereas with the Hartke, the 210 on its own was weak beyond imagination, and the 115 was difficult to get a good sound from, very bassy, not much top end. But together they were great. Theory is fine, I don`t understand all the techie stuff, I just let my ears judge it. My current cab is a 2x10 and 1x12 and tweeter in one cab - sounds awesome. [/quote] It is all down to how the cab is (not the driver size) & that doesn't paint a very good picture of Hartke cabs [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1333646152' post='1604803']Barefaced (and you know you can trust them) recommend various mixed rigs.... enough said. [/quote] But show me a BF rig with a single 15 & a horizontal 2x10 or trad 4x10. BF are one of the few companies that think about what cabs will work together as opposed to just doing the traditional marketing BS that most others throw at you. Have a read at this... http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/speaker-size-frequency-response.htm