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[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394274174' post='2389725'] I know never said running a single 4 ohm cab is rubbish, I just advised that it puts an extra strain on the amp. You do realise that most bass amps are effectively 2 amps? There's the pre amp & the power amp. If you've set the volume on your bass quite low & set the input gain to just under clipping, then turning the instrument up would cause the pre amp to clip, which could damage the cab's drivers. Increased current draw increases the chance of the power amp clipping. I never said it would cause the amp to fail (though it could, especially if the amp is 2nd hand), but more likely to need serviced sooner. If someone is given advice to get a single 4 ohm cab, don't you think it's wise to know the pros and cons? It's like telling someone with a car that it's good to run upto the red line before changing gear as you'll get there quicker. [/quote] no problem keep believing that people would sell things that even doing what there designed to do may go wrong.

[quote name='Prosebass' timestamp='1394236401' post='2389536'] In which case my position as a materials quality assurance specialist is bogus, and everything manufacturers produce is just hunky dory. Thanks for that, I have now stopped worrying about anything ever failing. [/quote] If your using the head correctly it shouldnt fail, yes sometimes s@&t happens but just saying plugging into a 4 ohm will shorten the life of the amp ( this is what he was saying) is a point that doesnt need to be made

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394234464' post='2389505'] Don't you think that letting people know that "running a single 4Ω cab to get the best from the amp" is really telling them rubbish though? [/quote] But again this isnt what you said, most ppl will run a 8 ohm 410/115 or use two cabs. If ppl want to use a 4 ohm 410 they should be able to without ppl like you telling them they are putting strain on there amp.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394231805' post='2389476'] How do you work it out to be rubbish? I've tried to explain it simply, but I think you're either missing what I'm saying completely or think I'm meaning it'll kill the amp (which I'm not). I'm not saying don't run at 4 ohms. I run mine at 4 ohms when needed at a gig. Could you explain how it reduces the potential for clipping? I'm not asking to make an argument, I like to find out a much about gear as I can & how things work, which is why I spend time reading on here, the Barefaced site, BFM's forum & anywhere else that discusses sound systems. I like to get the best from what I have. [/quote] its rubbish as by meaning that your stating a point that doesnt need to be said! your saying it will increase the heat, which yeh it will but turning the bass up will increase the bass neither will break the amp, and if it wnt break or hurt the amp then why put it on a forum that has alot of beginners who may panic thinking they are hurting there amp. andy

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394202615' post='2389113'] Bill worded that the opposite way round from you. his words were "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Voltage sensitivity is increased by 3dB, but that's at the cost of doubled current draw"[/font][/color] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]​So you're willing to have twice as much heat going through your amp for 3db if you're using a [/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]single cab[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? It's your choice, I'm only giving information that I've [/font][/color][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]acquired.[/color][/font] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The "extra headroom" also increases the chances of clipping. You've got twice as much current going through things.[/font][/color] [/quote] the point you are making is rubbish! any amp is tested and will be fine! the extra heat your talking about is designed in to the amp and wint hurt anything in it, im mean if your that worried about the components im surprised you ever turn your bloody amp on! and the extra headroom increases the chance of clipping?!

[quote name='Prosebass' timestamp='1394134514' post='2388369'] I think the thread is confusing 2 separate issues. If an amp is designed to run down to a certain resistance (load) and the cab / cabs are matched to that then no, it should not damage the amp. However, if you also run the amp at maximum output (turned up full) all the time then said amp will not last as long as an equivalent amp run at a lower output (turned down) as there is less amperage flowing through the amplifier. This is in an ideal world and other factors such as transformer rating can effect the loading and 4ohm speakers with a cheap amp can appear as a 2ohm load under certain conditions and hence the amp goes 'pop' The relationship between amp and speakers is not as straightforward as it appears [url="http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/spkramp.html"]http://www.gcaudio.c...os/spkramp.html[/url] Unfortunately you will never get an amplifier manufacturer to divulge failure figures, but I am sure quality amps will run at maximum for years. Looking at amp reviews I do not think the same can be said for budget models. No speaker cab will (should not) damage an amp provided its rating in ohms is no less than that recommended for the amp. But electrical parts do wear out, just the same as mechanical parts and the more stress you place on them the lower their lifespan. Hope this clears it up [/quote] never had a problem with if you run your amp at full volume and gain it will die pretty quick! but xgsix said was that this strain could also be caused by running your amp at 4 ohms or whatever your lowest impedance is.

[quote name='Prosebass' timestamp='1394131670' post='2388320'] Running an amp at its maximum will shorten its life when compared to running it well within its capabilities. This is due to electrical stress on the components. To quote my previous reply [/quote] yes maximum volume! not loading im sorry but i cant agree with this, its designed to be run at 4ohms why would anyone make 4 ohm cabs if they new it would damage there amps

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394100466' post='2387851'] I never said that either Chris. Yes, it's safe to run an amp at 4Ω (or in your case, 2Ω). But the higher the resistance you put on it, the more current is drawn, therefore the hotter the components get. It's really that simple. The amp should be built to withstand the extra load, but if you don't need to put the extra strain on the amp, why would you want to? Your car's engine is designed to run up to the red line without any damage & racing cars run regularly to that & get regular services, whereas with my car, even though it's safe to do so, I don't run my car to the red line all the time as it means I'll need more servicing to keep it in good nick. [/quote] im afraid your not making any sense! your just relaying info thats wrong, yes using the amp at 4 ohms will mean it runs hotter but its been designed to run at 4 ohms. so there wnt be any shortening of the amps life. and saying this will worry people. andy

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394059394' post='2387609'] No need to apologise. I (nor Bill) never said that you shouldn't run 2 cabs. I said that running the amp at it's minimum impedance is wearing out the components quicker. Yes, amps are tested to take the extra strain on the components, but if there's a 4 ohm & an 8 ohm cab & you're only running the one cab, then it's not worth wearing out your amp that bit more with the 4 ohm cab for something you're probably not going to notice. If you're adding a 2nd cab, then you're gonna hear the difference, so it's probably worth the trade off. [/quote] Ok so why say it? Just seems to be a way of worrying people who are new to heads and cabs. Andy

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1394002526' post='2386692'] How so? Here's exactly how BFM described the increased current draw when running an amp to it's minimum impedance... [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Why?[/font][/color] Given that he knows his stuff, I've no reason not to believe him. [/quote] im sorry but really! your never meant to run 2 cabs? with any amp then? if an amp has a min impedance of 4 ohms its fine to run at 4 ohms, the problem would be if you were running said amp at max volume (digital amps not valve) ie everything at 10 and clipping the amp to hell. which to get the volume the op needs would be the problem here. andy

The 410obc is a awesome, and is i would say slightly better quality than the 410hlf how ever the ampeg does sound good with orange, for some reason they go together very well, so personally id look at one of those. However never trying a barefaced i have no idea but im sure some one will be along soon to say how light they are. Andy

heres a link to itunes as not got any videos up yet, as i said above this my bass is from a mic in front of the cab no di mixed in, so you can hear how i sound need to listen through head phones. https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/nex-ratio-ep/id833521708 andy

love my 810, yeh its not the smallest but also love how it makes the terror look tiny lol andy

heres a video i made for lateral sounds, its not much but theres links the rest of the ep which was recorded using it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdTG7XHTX0 andy

hi guys hope this is ok, my band " Six Sins till Sunday's" new ep is out. no videos out yet with teasers, so i hope its ok to post a link to i tunes where peeps can demo the tracks the ep is called "nex ratio" and has three new tracks plus 2 reworked tracks from our self titled first ep. https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/nex-ratio-ep/id833521708 the new tracks are the first three. andy

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1393763520' post='2384051'] Like this then. Note that a) I have left the original wiring as dotted outlines b ) I did this one on an iPad in an app I have had 3 years and hadn't used before c) I added colour d) its a bit better than the last one! e) I wouldn't wire a bass like this, makes it too unpredictable [url="http://s405.photobucket.com/user/alienrat/media/Jazz3_zps04dabec9.png.html"][/url] [/quote] cheers man yeh might just stick to the first diagram, nice idea but as you say not really practical andy

Cool its the jazz in my sig Ah cool so doing that would put everthing to 10, i have one more could i have the tone active? Dnt mind putting another switch in for that. So ill have all the pickups on full and the tone or both pickups on full with tone control that i can use, or have control of the pickup but have a dimed tone control?

does anyone have any idea where i could find drawings for this?

im with sibob on this one, stacking different pedals gets a very cool effect, some work really well together some not so but thats the joy of experimenting which is why i love pedals! currently in love with my lateral sounds "root" but ill also turn on my mesa flux drive to give it a bit more gain or darker sound to work with. ive also had a ls-2 before with pedals in each loop with made mixing the 2 sounds alot more manageable was kinda like using two amps? andy

worked well when ive borrowed our guitarists its basically a polytune andy

[quote name='skychaserhigh' timestamp='1393405468' post='2379742'] Sounds good as long as you like distortion. Interested to find out if it does loud and clean too. [/quote] The distortion is completely separate from the eq side of the amp so i will be 1000w clean amp if needed just dnt turn on the gain side

Helms alee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNghRkt5k8 tool, the new periphery album and my bands recently recorded ep! andy

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1393264481' post='2377981'] Well Edens certainly have some lows, I had a Nemesis 410 and it was a great cab. I think the low frequencies are much lower than that of Ashdowns. It could be that the Ashdown had issues, as having also had an OTB, I could never get a tinny sound from it - not that I wanted to mind - just a thick warm slightly gainy (and very loud) sound. [/quote] lozz is right, just had a look the eden 410 goes down to 48hz and depending what ashdown it was the abm goes to 70hz and the mag interestingly goes to 60hz. andy

i would say it could be the cab, but as has been sad 12 o clock isnt flat, ive found sticking a eq pedal infront or in the effects loop gives these amps alot more eq options i have a rack eq works really well. andy

used this in the studio today! holy crap! such a brutal distortion getting the mastered tracks tomoz afternoon so will be able hopefully to post a link up for people to hear. andy