Dad3353

Many here sneer at them, but the Hofner Violin bass (commonly called the 'Beatle' bass...) is an excellent instrument, and comes at several price points. Not simply short scale, it's also very light, and has a slim body. See if your daughter 'clicks' with its form (more like a double bass than a Jaguar, at least..!), and maybe look at the range offered to see if there's one for your budget..? A bonus advantage, for practising at home, they have enough tone to not need amplifying. Just sayin'; Hope this helps.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1502289803' post='3350492']...Dad3353 said his BD was loud enough for any venue, then he miced it.... [/quote] To quote myself, I actually wrote[size=4] '[color=#800080][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My drum can easily fill any venue (and has done, back in the distant past before micing...)[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]'. Note that it's 'can', not 'do'; I'll expand on that, for clarity. Back in the '70s, I was playing variety, with no PA support, in an eight-piece band. We played in many different types of venue (marquees, village halls, cavernous gymnasiums, big concert halls; rarely outdoors...). I could get the drums to fit in any of these, simply by adapting my playing style; some venues needed more stage volume than others. Our sound guy adapted the vocals, flute and sax from the console, but had no control over the drums. It worked well enoughl. Nowadays, however, with our pop/rock stuff, we have better control over what is heard by the floor with a modern PA. The PA can now adapt to any venue (including outdoors and festival stages, and the backline and drums are all at the same, comfortable level, whatever the cubic metres needing filling. FOH is better, stage volume is better... As a bonus, I can now have compression and/or EQ on the drums if it helps, impossible without micing up. I would have liked these options 'back then'; I'd maybe have my 602 cymbals intact, instead of sacrificing them by playing too hard for 'em in a huge hall. Micing up does not automatically mean louder. My drums don't need extra volume (they've got potentially enough for anywhere...), but they're not at their best for all repertoires by hitting 'em as hard as is needed for some places. Brushes, anyone..? [/font][/color][/size]

Many, many years ago I went to see a representation of 'Brief Lives', a play based on the writings of John Aubrey, with Roy Doltrice as the principal (indeed, sole...) actor. The audience gradually filled the theatre, and the house lights went down. A few minutes passed, until we all became aware that Aubrey (Doltrice...) was already on stage, 'asleep'. He awoke, and the piece started. For the interval, Aubrey dozes off in his chair in mid-sentence, the lights come up and the folks needing a 'rest' did so. The interval over, the house is again dimmed, Aubrey awakes with a splutter and continues his phrase as if nothing had happened. The play ends with Aubrey returning to his bed; when, after a long pause, the theatre is lit, one realises that the now deceased Aubrey is still on stage, and remains so, presumably until the house is empty again. That, to me, was the best 'entrance' I've ever seen on stage; no theatrics, just pure theatrics; the man was a genius.

[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1502276896' post='3350380'] Only if played in the key of Ursa Major. [/quote] Indeed; plough on.

[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1502275183' post='3350365'] I quite like the way the Chili Peppers start their gigs... [/quote] So one should start by humping an invisible bear..? ...

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1502272772' post='3350332'] Ehh? Surely if the BD is loud enough for any room, then its loud enough. You seem to be suggesting that micing it up will make it quieter????? Surely if its loud enough to be heard in the room, any eq you add to it will not overpower the acoustic sound out front, so will be a waste of time. Just saying. [/quote] I think you're confusing micing up with amplification. We don't [i]amplify [/i]the BD, we spread its sound through the FOH, that's all. We'll sometimes add an overhead, too. It depends a little on the venue's configuration, but if we want the naked BD to be heard, I'd play it at a certain level, but the sound would be localised. With the FOH support, I can play much softer, and the sound is diffused to the same extent as the vocals. It's not loud at all, merely reinforcing the diffusion. We play pop/rock covers (REM, Radiohead, SOAD, RHCP and much more...), but aren't looking to deafen anyone. We aim to sound [i]musical[/i], not [i]loud[/i]. It works for us, anyway.

^^

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1502229539' post='3350176']...because the kick drum's got to be amplified. [/quote] As I've pointed out before, micing up the bass drum is, for us, not a case of amplifying, but merely balancing it out in the mix for the room. My drum can easily fill any venue (and has done, back in the distant past before micing...), but most venues, even pubs, can have a better spread if there's a touch of BD in there. No more; just a touch. It seems that others do things very differently, but micing up is not simply to make what is an already potentially loud instrument louder. Just sayin'.

T'was a fine Noodle, just the same; thanks for sharing.

[left][color="#222222"][font="Arial, sans-serif"][size=4][quote name='oldslapper' timestamp='1502220697' post='3350102']...(unless someone pays the ransom ....and I'll stop)... [/quote][/size][/font][/color][/left] [left][color="#222222"][font="Arial, sans-serif"][size=4][sharedmedia=core:attachments:167486][/size][/font][/color][/left] [left][color="#222222"][font="Arial, sans-serif"][size=4]OK, OK; here's the ransom ...[/size][/font][/color][/left] [left][color="#222222"][font="Arial, sans-serif"][size=4]Here is your Certificate (download and save as pdf file, then proudly print and frame...) ... [attachment=250959:BC_Nood_Cert_2017_0808.pdf] ... which looks like this (but bigger, of course..!)...[/size][/font][/color][/left] [left][color="#222222"][font="Arial, sans-serif"][size=4][/size][/font][/color][/left] [left][font=Arial, sans-serif][size=4] [/size][/font][font=Arial, sans-serif][size=4]Now will you please stop that infernal tapping..? [/size][/font] [/left] [left]...[/left] [left] [/left]

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1502210464' post='3350028'] Do we know for certain it's the sound crew causing this? How often do we see members here declaring they they will only perform with 'their sound', no pre eq di or no di at all regardless of whether the sound they are giving the desk is of any use or not, are drummers demanding a foh to match their on stage sound as many folk here say they do with bass rigs? [/quote] Few drummers hear their 'on-stage' sound, as they're (usually...) sitting behind the drums. It would be difficult (and useless...) to reproduce what the drummer hears in FOH, I'd say. When we're playing, it's either us (ie: our eldest...) doing the FOH mix, or a house engineer with our eldest assisting (saying what needs done, if it doesn't agree with what we want to sound like...). When it's his turn (guitar...) to sound check, it'll be me or our singer (or both...) getting the sound right. S'easy enough; doesn't everyone do things that way..?

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1502190515' post='3349845'] A delivery of rubble? [/quote] You've watched the videos then, eh..?

[quote name='AndyTravis' timestamp='1502141432' post='3349620'] I've got some old BGM's in the garages When the kids aren't in bed, I'll dig them out. [/quote] You bury your kids..?

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1502139226' post='3349593'] One/Nil to Peggy Lee [/quote] Is that the half-time score..?

They're miming, and just messing about. I suspect that he's cranking a toy musical box or similar, perhaps to give the impression of playing a vielle, a typical 'folklore' instrument shaped like a lute, with a wheel that scrapes the strings when a handle is turned (think 'hurdy-gurdy'..?). I'd not try to emulate the fellow's technique at that point; it's just for fun, I reckon.

Until fairly recently ('50s..? '60s..?) it was rather a rarity to have singers or bands write their own stuff. The famous 'Tin Pan Alley' was the home of song-writers, who'd pedal their wares to any act that would adopt 'em, and make 'em into hits. Too many names to list, but 'original' material was more likely 'hadn't been snapped up yet by someone else', rather than self-penned. Little by little, helped by the success of bands such as The Beatles (OK, OK; and others, before and since...) groups would come up with a whole repertoire of self-composed music, not all of it of a very high technical standard, but sometimes popular. Many of today's 'originals' artists do not write nor compose; they have songs presented to 'em and take 'em up if they want to (and think they can sell the result...). None of this belittles the skills necessary for participating at any level, in any role in all of this. Those playing to the tune handed to 'em as 'dots', and those patiently explaining yet again to their colleagues how many they need to count to before ending the solo are all part and parcel of the same spectacle, and have merits, albeit different ones. Quite a lot of folks on the planet are capable of many facets, too; there is no 'red line'; rather a faint blur. It's all good. T'would be an odd world with only original stuff played only ever by one band, or the opposite: no creation of new stuff, ever, just the same old reheating of known material. Embrace it all, no..?

Good afternoon, kaomny, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share. Nice bass; good luck with the sale.

[quote name='bazztard' timestamp='1502080773' post='3349112'] of course you don't... [/quote] The aggressive, rude and arrogant style of this post is unwarranted and unwelcome. Please refrain from such in future. Thanks in advance.

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1502054691' post='3349068']...a second hand K custom dark crash that's absolutely filthy and it sounds fabulous. [/quote] Then protect it in its current state, or risk changing its sound for ever (but maybe for the better..? Who knows..? ([i]taps side of nose knowingly[/i]...)).

[quote name='ribbetingfrog' timestamp='1502054214' post='3349063'] The great man that is Billy Sheehan said in a lesson of his that I watched you need to learn guitar, it is an essential songwriting tool. His word is law in my book. [/quote] Does Elton John know this..?

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1502052797' post='3349055'] It was payback for him keep changing the patch on my multi-effects unit whilst I was playing �� today, I managed to remove all of his cymbals and just leave him the 8" splash. [/quote] No-one (including myself...) touches my cymbals with their bare hands; they're protected by '[url="http://cymbag.com"]Cymbags[/url]' until the moment we start, and covered up immediately afterwards. Once sullied, they cannot be cleaned and retain their original tone, so I don't let 'em get dirty. On the other hand, I wouldn't go around changing multi-effects patches either, so...

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1502051296' post='3349035']...taking the drum kit to bits whilst he's playing it. [/quote] I hate it when that happens.

[quote name='Avi14' timestamp='1502047789' post='3348994'] Hey, thanks for the feedback The mic is Sound King SK-800 and the USB Sound Card came free along with it. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. I am practicing some bass excercises via YouTube to get more fluid while playing bass. Btw, did the bass sound really that bad? I felt that I was mostly in tune but missed a note towards the end. [/quote] OK, I looked up the Sound King mic (equivalent cost in European currency: 22€....), and would confirm that it's the free USB sound card that is supplying the power. You don't have to rely on youtube for practising; a decent bass method would be a good complement, I'd suggest. The Hal Leonard series are recommended by many, and are very complete and progressive. Here's a link... [url="http://www.amazon.in/Hal-Leonard-Bass-Method-Complete/dp/0793563836/ref=sr_1_1_twi_spi_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502048687&sr=8-1&keywords=Hal+Leonard+Bass+Method%3A+Complete+Edition+Spiral-bound"]Amazon.in: Hal Leonard Complete Bass Method, spiral bound ...[/url] Does the bass sound that bad..? Not the right term, really; it's not that it sounds bad, it's that it sounds out of tune in places, and the timing is imprecise. That's enough to spoil a show, whoever is playing, and needs working on more than any learning of songs (which should continue, of course...). How do you check for intonation, for instance..? An easy check would be to play a string at the octave (12th fret...), then play a harmonic at that same fret (pluck the string whilst barely touching it at the 12th fret...). The notes heard (fretted and octave...) should be exactly the same pitch. Repeat for all four strings. If there is a difference at all in pitch on any string, the intonation should be adjusted to rectify that. Try this simple test and see..?

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1502046484' post='3348981']...then 16gb plus!... [/quote] Start out with 8Gb; add more if you run out..?