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[quote name='Thunderbird' timestamp='1503309771' post='3357006'] Lukillly mine punkutain and spellin iz spot on innit [/quote]

[quote name='Thunderbird' timestamp='1503309204' post='3356997'] As above really there used to be some really funny people on the forum and you could always crack a joke but now some people seem so grumpy and just seem to want a row sign of the times? OK rant over lol [/quote] Usually its because theres a cruel lack of adequate punctuation which makes reading their posts very difficult in fact some of the posts are so bad they just get skipped it does however create a tension which for some people seems to be resolved in grumpy replies not enough in jest for me I much prefer a light hearted approach not everyone has the same outlook though spelling mistakes and badly placed or worse still missing apostrophes has been know to send some folks barmy as has commas out of place never mind its all for fun you know as a line from a Marty Balin song goes

http://youtu.be/LWbj7FYEi3M

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1503260516' post='3356817'] Yes, we all know. You made it quite clear in post #2. See you same time tomorrow. [/quote] I was just clarifying, following the gist of the topic, that it was not the fact that it was a [i]bass [/i]being played, that's all. Sorry to have disturbed, though.

I'm not really fussed that it be a bass, a guitar or an accordion; it didn't do anything for me, end of. I might have been slightly impressed if he got those notes out of a carved carrot, but even then...

'More than simple' plug'n'play, here. Bass into amp; that's it. The amp (usually Hiwatt DR205 PA head...) is set to 'all knobs at 12 o'clock' (yes, I know that's not 'flat', but it doesn't matter...); the cab an HH 2 x 15 folded horn. Two p/ups on the bass (Hofner Verithin, with black nylon-coated strings...); I use one or t'other, as I think fit, and use the tone controls a bit. The rest is just the fingers, playing towards the neck or bridge, finger flesh or index nail, occasionally thumb... Simple..? Definitely.

[quote name='Steve Woodcock' timestamp='1503230253' post='3356552']...being told to move your Pawn from b4 to b5 in chess doesn't teach you anything about how to play the game, nor does painting by numbers teach you how to paint.... [/quote] Many folks get great pleasure from following through the chess games of past masters, in exactly this fashion. Similarly, there are thousands, maybe more, enjoying the results of their endeavours in colouring by numbers a view of New York or a pair of spaniels. None will claim to have mastered these arts, but is that the only worthwhile objective on the planet..? I spent much of my youth studying the new (at the time...) 'black art' of DTL/TTL logic, and from there on to microprocessors, operating systems and computers. I had (at the time...) a pretty extensive mastery in depth of how it all worked, more than those who would 'plug and play' the latest graphic cards in fashion. Whilst doing this, for my career, I did no more than brush over the finer points of reading musical notation, except for drums, as that was my instrument of choice. I can read, albeit very slowly, for guitar, bass or keys, but cannot play a saxophone, even if I can decipher the score. My path in life has not revolved around Mozart, nor the Masters of Puppets, and my professional drumming career involved 'dots' only as far as I wrote them out myself, as they did not exist (I've never seen since the drum score for 'Hotel California', either...). Why this insistence that there is no salvation but in soaking oneself in this skill..? No-one is disputing its usefulness, nor that it is good to learn from an early age, but there are other skills that are equally valuable for thousands of happy, contented folks in the world, without, too. Is it too much to accept that some folks get the result they're after from other concepts..? This insistence is not likely to endear the subject to those already hesitant or wary from previous experience of failure with the system. It does not fit everyone's temperament nor needs. Hats off to those who revel in it, but some respect is due to those who play music without, I feel. Rant over.

Jack Casady, with Jefferson Airplane (obviously...), but also in Hot Tuna with Jorma Kaukonen or more, held his own in the 'bass to the fore' genre, playing blues and much, much more. An example..? OK, but there's so much, it's tough to pick just one, but there's a neat tempo shift in this one... [media]http://youtu.be/mjfhsLuOEWI[/media]

Happy (second...) Birthday; wishing you many happy returns of the day.

Good evening, DJ, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

[quote name='Baronialhall' timestamp='1503168117' post='3356226'] http://youtu.be/6giiYDlqRQs [/quote] Yes..! Just one of soooooo many gems from the brilliant pair: Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady, in whatever formation they're playing in. Hot stuff, and more where that came from..!

I gave it a minute and a half.

I'll spare you the horror story behind '[i]Catherine et son ensemble[/i]' (recounted elsewhere here...); I agree that it is all too often the case that the inviting band turns out to be not as 'inviting' as all that..! That's part of the deal, though; when it's good, it is very, very good, but when it is bad it is rotten..!

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1503156906' post='3356118'] It would indeed. To each their own, but there are tried and trusted ways for us to learn... [/quote] Nice, but your analogy implies that we're learning to read music (as a language...) from a very early age, in which case I'd agree with you. However, I was taught French at grammar school, from age 11 till 15, and clearly remeber failing dismally, thinking to myself that I'll never use this stuff, so what's it for..? My O-level results reflected this: 2% for the oral, 4% for the written. Note: that's percentages, not a mark out of 10 or 20. Fast forward to my mid-twenties... For diverse reasons, I moved to France. I spent 6 months unable to understand, and 6 months more able to understand, but unable to reply. Over time, the lingo has filtered in, by necessity, and I would class myself now as modestly fluent, without formal training (and so 'warts 'n all'...). All this to illustrate that, depending upon one's motivations; needs and imperatives, there are many paths to Rome. Learning (anything...) is a complex affair, and does not work in the same way for everyone, at every age. I'd finish with another, equally flawed, analogy. Learning to fly model aircraft is a skill set. Flying a light aircraft, solo, is an extension of that. Becoming a commercial pilot takes it further, test pilot further still. To become an astronaut one has to build still more on the rest. Those playing music on the 'model aircraft' level would glean little advantage in following the career path of an astronaut. To each his orher own.

Good evening, Ben, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

Good evening, Steve, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

[quote name='DaveFry' timestamp='1503145418' post='3356029'] Who was this playing bass back in '76 please ?... [/quote] [url="http://www.philupchurch.com/1970.htm"]Phil Upchurch ...[/url]

I'd say it's an error to connect reading standard music notation and learning (understanding...) music theory. It's very possible to do either without necessarily doing the other. Playing from tab and having music knowledge is perfectly feasible, too. Reading from a score is obviously better than not being able to (as is reading ancient Greek or Somalian; other foreign languages are available...), but does not preclude musical ability, technique or talent. Sight reading (that's to say, being able to play at the tempo of the piece from first read-through...) is yet another aspect, and a useful skill to have, but not indispensable for many musicians.

I'd rather have a band mate let me know if they think whatever I'm playing seems not to be appropriate, or could be improved, whether on drums, bass or whatever. Similarly, I wouldn't hesitate in discussing issues with their contribution; the method or tactfulness would depend on our relationship, and would vary between politely suggesting an alternative to chucking my drumsticks in the air and swearing volubly. Whatever works best in the circumstances; it's just a matter of communicating in an effective manner.

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1503096850' post='3355770'] Oi. We'll have less of this jollity nonsense, thank you [i]very[/i] much. [/quote]

[quote name='markdavid' timestamp='1503096945' post='3355772'] Well i think it was somewhere along the lines of"can you not play that fancy slide bit as they don't play that in the original song" i forget the exact words used [/quote] Ah, that's more like it..! Phew..! For a moment there...

[quote name='markdavid' timestamp='1503094591' post='3355750']... the drummer told me... [/quote] What..? 'The drummer asked me...', 'the drummer suggested...', 'the drummer proposed...' I could understand, but 'the drummer told me...'..?

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1503079832' post='3355612'] My (slight) issue with tab is that although it does basically the same thing as standard notation it only does it for one specific instrument at a time, and only for stringed instruments. It feels a little isolated, almost like guitar and bass players consider themselves guitar and bass players, not musicians. [/quote] The same could be said of drum parts, which are instrument-specific. It's just the nature of the beast, really.