I had a Schroeder 1212L and it was a great cab, and it was stonkingly loud [u]for it's size[/u]. Like Bill says, if you want loud and low, you need a bigger box. I switched to a 410L as although the 1212L was more than loud enough for my old ska band, in my current rock/punk band I wanted to fill the room a bit more. The 410L is perfect for that, and although the box is undersized for a 4x10 it's bloody loud. It probably lacks some low end extension as a result when pushed but nothing I'll miss in a rock band - it sounds beautiful in the mix and it's got loads of thump/punch. One to consider, anyway!