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If I was thinking about a new lighting setup I would go for two t-bars with four led par lights on each. If you buy something like these (see link) which I've just bought they have in built programs that you can use without a DMX controller. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008004713042.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.25bbVKU1VKU1Rs&algo_pvid=1bc30bb9-c2b7-480c-be00-c870d3deadb0&algo_exp_id=1bc30bb9-c2b7-480c-be00-c870d3deadb0-2&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"46"%2C"eval"%3A"1"%2C"fromPage"%3A"search"}&pdp_npi=6%40dis!GBP!295.38!87.73!!!295.38!87.73!%40211b819117645836065426848eb613!12000043230307734!sea!UK!0!ABX!1!0!n_tag%3A-29910%3Bd%3A32eab0d4%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895%3BpisId%3A5000000194912328&curPageLogUid=rOphz0wl8iEz&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A|x_object_id%3A1005008004713042|_p_origin_prod%3A

Great Post I think this is the right way to look at things, I rushed in as an early adopter and will at some stage replace everything once I know exactly what I'm after. I'm enjoying the experimentation and all of this stuff has decent used value but mine is not an approach I'd advise anyone else to follow, I'm just reporting the latest experiments

@ those who didn't like what I said in my last post: I'm a musician and therefore I have at least a passing interest in other musicians, and like to know about the music they play so I can either find more to hear or to know to avoid them in the future. I've just looked back through this thread and there are only one or two bass players mentioned that I hadn't heard the names of before, but when I checked out who they'd played with I found I was aware of at least some of their work. I have to admit that the late 70s and early 80s is my era for musical influences and therefore I'm well-aware of Peter Hook and what he has done. Conversely I have very little interest in post-grunge American rock (the sort of thing that is called "alt-rock" despite that fact that most of it is completely mainstream these days), but at least I know who Melissa Auf der Maur and Nate Mandel are and have heard some songs that they have played on (and have listened to enough to know that it's not to my taste). What I don't like is wilful ignorance on the part of other musicians. I don't expect people to like everything; after all what each of us finds interesting about musical styles is completely subjective, but when we all have the internet at our fingertips to claim that you don't know who a particular musician is and be proud of the fact is just stupid.

Major Tom (Coming Home) - Peter Schilling

I think to an extent you get what you pay for. These are pretty powerful lights and the ability to isolate one light on each side and use it for lighting up the stage whilst the other three in each set light up the rest of the room are worth the extra money, but only if this is the way you use them. The 40deg lamps are also a desireable feature. I don't thnk they are expensive for what you get though not cheap either., DMX is interesting, most bands probably don't use it or just use it as a way of linking lamps in pairs/groups. Having a separate DMX controller is undoubtedly better in terms of the final outcome but There's a steep learning curve and ultimately set up time. It's comparable in time and complexity with setting up a full PA system including monitors and subs and a similar learnig curve to operating the PA with a digital mixer (but slightly less intuitive). To date I've never used my controller at an actual gig. I thought DMX needed at least a separate post.

One of my favourites... But this is him in the mid-90s, probably last time he used the Steinberger (at least that I've seen!): And when I first discovered him - I was looking for funk records in Leeds as I was DJing. There was no means of finding The Funk via radio, or TV or music press, so guess work was usually the way forward. And this import (twas about £8, in 1984!) ticked all the boxes! Though I found when listening that it was deeply unsuitable for a funk disco, and it took me about 3 years to actually be able to listen to it!

I think Mr Sapko and myself would have completely different music tastes judging by his playing on clips, but I find the guy funny and love some of his not-so-subtle mickey takes when he lists people and puts another person's photo up. Carry on Danny as far as I am concerned.

Where's Captain Kirk — Spizz Energi

Not heard of Mr Hook?? - This is one aspect of being a "musician" I like. Yes I've heard and know who PH is and never heard of the Foo Fighter chap "his" episode was a decent watch. Meaning very often I "discover" a musician that I would never have looked at, now I have info on what they offer, I'm "enriched" Adam Clayton surpised me. Usually I've seen the U2 crew to seem like schoolboys in interviews, the spokesman being Bono who was always on point. Adam speaks very well, must be his age

For those who could be interested, on't see these very often, shame about the 'butchered' bridge🙁 https://reverb.com/uk/item/93341230-ashley-pangborn-custom-bass-guitar-based-on-warlord-model-1985

Yeah, I'm with you. I absolutely love Elixir. No need to change!!!

Star Trekkin' - The Firm

50 million year trip - Kyuss

I didn't really answer the question. It may be hard to believe but I have no strong opinion about him, despite his best efforts to be edgy and an "acquired taste". Seems to be able to play the bass, probably better than me. Says the word "bass" funny. OK.

The only musical people I am interested in are those who make music I enjoy, or those who make equipment or instruments that I want to use. Mr Sapko appears to do none of those things so as far as I am concerned he's an irrelevance.

We have a couple of LEDJ 7Q5 pars that work well as uplights for the drums but stopped taking them to gigs due to grumblings within the band about the amount of gear we are taking to gigs (which is a fair comment 🙂). I think we may need to revisit this. Funnily enough, I've recently replaced everything in that lighting setup apart from the drum uplights (not in the video) and the lighting control (iPad / ADJ 4 stream bridge) with lights bought from AliExpress. I'm still applying the same principles; 1. Lights on stands pointing down where possible to avoid dazzling band members. 2. Static colour and slow fade colour change stage wash lights (it's not a disco 😉). 3. White lights on band members. 4. Moving heads to add effects/interest.

I think those Thomann lights are a bit expensive. IMO the best vendors for lighting are Stsge or DJ suppliers. Terralec do a good range Terralec Lighting and these are worth a look Equinox Light Cluster. if you search DJ Suppliers , they will have more choice, both in price and range. I advise getting a set that has DMX control as you may want to get more lights later and you need to be able to control all of them.